Capitalism vs Socialism

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is a comprehensive debate if you have time to see it thru to completion... I did not. Rather I let both men deliver their representative sides and I learned something, but again the whole video is too time consuming. Better to listen to both sides then cut it off.

Bluntly what I believe to be true is that our country is mired in this same debate .. ie, Capitalism vs Socialism with the government interference by putting their fingers in the pie of all their citizens lives. Let these guys both advance their stances and feel free to comment should you wish.

Pease out

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

General Observation. The debaters are a Socialist and an ex-Socialist. The Socialist doesn’t mind conflating Socialism, Communism, Marxism. He claims that in college he was never taught anything from Marx, not because Marx had nothing to teach, but due to fear. He then says that 75 years of fear means very few know what Socialism really is, because it’s also changed during that time. Marx died in 1883; it’s highly unlikely he’s edited his works since then.

The point is that the Marxist doesn’t mind conflating where convenient, then distancing when it looks bad. The reason Socialism has changed is because of the need to deny failures are attributable to application. To anyone wary, the “changes” demonstrate it doesn’t work, while the true believer awaits just the right formula to usher in utopia.

Marxism is political alchemy. Alchemy has also changed. “Success” has proven it was always a fool’s errand. Yes, they have found ways to turn lead into gold, but the cost is beyond prohibitive, and the gold radioactive, unfit for human touch.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You can sum this up fairly easily...Marxism is about removing profits (on anything). Remove profits and you remove incentive,and barbarism results.

 

[37818]

A short 5 minutes or so video.

 

[Scott Downey]

Socialism removes personal incentive to earn money, it lowers people to the lowest common divisor, except for the few oligarchs or main party leaders. Conformity to ideology really is an incentive killer unless your one of the sociopathic leaders. What you have gets taken by the state and of course any excess, and do you really own anything, not really.

Socialism is the leading man-made cause of death and misery in human existence.

Sorry If You're Offended, but Socialism Leads to Misery and Destitution

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You do understand Karl Marx history...this guy comes from a bourgeois and he was an idealist—- and he could afford to be an idealist, not having to sweat for a living, they live on profits and accumulated wealth of family businesses. But Marx is against profits, except for the elite elected by himself and his kind. So he preaches to others that profits are bad, they are the source of exploitation and all human misery. Oh and he was against the industrial revolution which freed men from the serfdom of powerful rulers and the over reaching aristocracy. But then men like Marx have tremendous respect for the aristocracy and inherited wealth. They are only against new wealth, out of industry.... going further, they fear and despise the working class (my class). In other words, it’s a subtle form of class warfare.

At any rate, Marx would prohibit making a profit on anything. All would belong to the proletariat, or so he says. But in his heart he means the State, of which he and his kind would be the masters. What a tyranny that would be! What Marx really was about was the aristocracy & him together... ruling over the working class. Genius if you could pull it off right! Another con game facilitated by a German madman ... and we have had a few of them over the years. And that’s the premise of Marxism, totally suppressing the freedom of the working class.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The progression of Marxism to Communism

Classless society. Classless society, in Marxism, the ultimate condition of social organization, expected to occur when true communism is achieved. According to Karl Marx (1818–83), the primary function of the state is to repress the lower classes of society in the interests of the ruling class.

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[Scott Downey]

The progression of Marxism to Communism

Classless society. Classless society, in Marxism, the ultimate condition of social organization, expected to occur when true communism is achieved. According to Karl Marx (1818–83), the primary function of the state is to repress the lower classes of society in the interests of the ruling class.
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

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[Covenanter]

When the Capitalists pay both a fair wage to their employees AND fair taxes - as some have done in years gone by, then the Socialist cause can be put to rest.

Some capitalist entrepreneurs provided housing & schooling for their employees. Others paid desperately low wages so even children had to work. It's still the sad situation in many countries, particularly in Africa & Asia. Slavery never ended.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

When the Capitalists pay both a fair wage to their employees AND fair taxes - as some have done in years gone by, then the Socialist cause can be put to rest.

Some capitalist entrepreneurs provided housing & schooling for their employees. Others paid desperately low wages so even children had to work. It's still the sad situation in many countries, particularly in Africa & Asia. Slavery never ended.

Socialism doesn’t work, because Socialists have no concept of working profitably but are experts at stealing from and destroying the hard work of others.

If Socialists had any common sense to work profitably, they would capitalize on that and use it to good purpose without stealing from others.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When the Capitalists pay both a fair wage to their employees AND fair taxes - as some have done in years gone by, then the Socialist cause can be put to rest.

Some capitalist entrepreneurs provided housing & schooling for their employees. Others paid desperately low wages so even children had to work. It's still the sad situation in many countries, particularly in Africa & Asia. Slavery never ended.

Yes but if the Capitalist is a Born Again Christian ( I mean the real deal ), that would be baked in that they would treat the employees fairly, right.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Then, Depending on the industry and the area, there are trade unions that are supposed to protect employees.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If I were a lawmaker I would insist that every idealist, every lofty bourgeoisie, every spoiled rotten kid must work with their hands at a desperate living... in the fields, in a factory, in a mine before they wrote or uttered a word on behalf of mankind.