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Casting out Satan

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jacob62

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I believe demons dwell in a persons body if I'm not mistaken.And if this is true,I think it might be hard to detect for the average person as Satan is very subtle.As the demon fully over takes the person,thats when the craziness happens,and you can identify it,Hitler,Charles Manson,etc.I'm not fully convinced that a Christian cant be possessed though.Everyone was looking for a degenerate with a police record in the search for the BTK killer.Turns out he was in church and a long time Lutheran and community leader.Alot of Catholic priests are in the type of trouble one would say is demon inspired.All these people Im sure said that they were saved.
 

StefanM

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Originally posted by tamborine lady:
I don't recommend however that an unsaved person try it!!

I know Jesus, and I know Paul, but who are you?

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tamborine lady

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Exactly Stefan!! LOL!! ;)

Acts 19-13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.


Peace,

Tam
 

tamborine lady

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Jacob,

I don't think Christians can be posessed. However, they can be bothered and attacked. And I do believe then they can reside inside a Christian.

Of course there are those on the board that will strongly disagree. However that is my opinion after doing some deliverence in the past.

Working for Jesus,

Tam
 
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jacob62

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As far as I can tell, and I'll repent if I'm wrong, the people that were posessed were not bothered or attacked from outside, but from inside. I've noticed when demons were cast out they usually said "come out of him," indicating the demon or demons were inside the body. When Jesus cast out the demons, called Legion, they came out of a body, and into a herd of pigs, then into the sea, indicating the need to be inside a body.
 

hillclimber

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Originally posted by tamborine lady:
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Jacob,

I don't think Christians can be posessed. However, they can be bothered and attacked. And I do believe then they can reside inside a Christian.

Of course there are those on the board that will strongly disagree. However that is my opinion after doing some deliverence in the past.

Working for Jesus,

Tam
A believer cannot be possessed nor can a demon reside (whatever that means) inside a believer. We are filled with the Holy Spirit, thus no room for demons. Many of us don't take advantage of that wonderful filling.
 

tamborine lady

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Hillclimber said:A believer cannot be possessed nor can a demon reside (whatever that means) inside a believer. We are filled with the Holy Spirit, thus no room for demons. Many of us don't take advantage of that wonderful filling.

Tam says: and you learned this where??

Selah,

Tam
 
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dianetavegia

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Originally posted by tamborine lady:
Hillclimber said:A believer cannot be possessed nor can a demon reside (whatever that means) inside a believer. We are filled with the Holy Spirit, thus no room for demons. Many of us don't take advantage of that wonderful filling.

Tam says: and you learned this where??

Selah,

Tam
I don't know exactly what hillclimber means by
Many of us don't take advantage of that wonderful filling.
but I am guessing he means we do not lean on our Comforter. We try to 'find our own answers' instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to give us the words, etc.

Tam, were you questioning his other remark? Here's the scripture to back up THAT remark.

Matthew 6:22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."
 
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jacob62

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BTK was a believer.He could recite scripture too I'll bet.He was president of Christ Lutheran Church Council.
 
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dianetavegia

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Originally posted by jacob62:
BTK was a believer.He could recite scripture too I'll bet.He was president of Christ Lutheran Church Council.
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
Jacob62, just because BTK was involved with the Lutherans doesn't mean he was a Christian. I could sleep in my garage and it wouldn't make me a car.

AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT LUTHERAN'S BELIEVE

Basically, Lutherans believe that a person is saved only by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

ABOUT GOD

Lutherans believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Lutherans believe in the Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


ABOUT THE CHURCH

Lutherans are a part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church confessed in the Creeds. Lutherans understand the church to consist of all those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

ABOUT SIN

Lutherans believe that human beings sinned in the beginning of human time and that this sin resulted in a destruction of the relationships between God and his people; between human beings; and between the world in which we live. Therefore, everyone born into this broken world begins life in a sinful existence.

ABOUT SALVATION

Lutherans believe that God, and only God, through GRACE is capable of restoring human beings to a relationship with himself.
This GRACE takes place at the initiative of God through the suffering and death of Jesus Christ, which fully and completely restored the relationship between God and his people.

Lutherans trust in this graceful activity of God in FAITH in Jesus Christ. Faith is not an activity on the part of human beings, but rather the acceptance of what God has done.

ABOUT SCRIPTURE

Lutherans believe that God has revealed this message of hope through the HOLY SCRIPTURES. Lutherans believe that the Holy Scriptures constitute the norm of all faith and practice within the church.

Lutherans accept all three of the ecumenical creeds--the Apostles', the Nicene, and the Athanasian Creeds as summaries of the teachings of the Bible.
Lutherans also accept a number of sixteenth century documents incorporated in the Book of Concord as further explanations of Scripture over against abuses and misunderstandings that had entered the teaching and practice of the Christian Faith. These writings are the Augsburg Confession and the Apology [defense] of the Augsburg Confession, the Smalcald Articles, Dr. Martin Luther's Small and Large Catechisms, and the Formula of Concord.

ABOUT THE SACRAMENTS

Lutherans understand the Sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion [the Eucharist], along with the Word of God as Means of Grace whereby God conveys both faith and forgiveness.
Lutherans have used a more restrictive definition of "sacrament" than has the historical church. Lutherans believe that a sacrament is instituted by Christ himself, has visible means, and conveys the forgiveness of sins. Under this definition only Baptism and Holy Communion are recognized as Sacraments. The other five historical sacraments of the church [penance (confession and absolution), confirmation, marriage, orders, and the sacrament of the sick] are seen as important, but a step below the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion.

Baptism is an act of God in which He makes a person His own. Since the action is on the part of God and since Lutherans believe that all, including infants, are a part of this sinful world, there is no restriction on the age of baptism. In emergency situations an infant may be baptized at birth. A person is baptized into the Christian Faith, not into a particular denomination. Therefore, the Lutheran Church accepts as valid the baptism of any denomination as long as it is done
with water and in the Name of the Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Lutherans find no Scriptural restrictions on the way in which the water is applied and therefore use and accept baptism by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling.

Lutherans believe that Holy Communion [also known as the Lord's Supper, the Eucharist, the Sacrament of the Altar] is the true body and blood of the Lord given and shed on the cross for the remission of sins. Participation in Holy Communion is direct contact with Jesus Himself, who comes among us to forgive our sins and to help us to live lives in the service of God.

RESPONSE TO GOD'S GRACE

Lutherans believe that God's people respond to His love in worship and service. Lutherans have continued to employ the historic forms of worship in their Sunday celebrations, and, at the same time, have made provision for informal and more contemporary formats for worship.

Lutherans believe that service to God is always in response to the love and grace that God has shown us and begins with the employment of the skills, abilities, and talents which He has given us. Lutherans express their service to God in their work, at home, and in leisure activities. Part of their service takes place in assisting the church to carry out its responsibilities, and part in participating in charitable and community activities.
 
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jacob62

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I believe God is beginning to tear down Catholic doctrine by exposing so many priests as molesters.It looks like he hit the Lutherans as well.He did say He would clean his house.Wonder who is next?No need to verse me on Lutheran doctrine,but thank anyway.My daughter in-law's dad is a Lutheran pastor.
 

tamborine lady

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Diane, I have read the scripture you posted. I have studied it all before. I know you will not agree with me but think about this.

Just because we are saved, I know you will agree that from time to time we do still sin.(not on purpose perhaps), but nevertheless we are not perfect. If we are not perfect then demons will be around, (or in) us.

For all those who think Christians cannot be inhabited by demons, satan has you right where he wants you and you have a big bulls eye on your back!!!

Selah,

Tam
 
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jacob62

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Amen Tam
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When we think things no longer apply,watch out!Just when a Christian thinks they are too holy for this or that,Satan has them!The Troll
 

DHK

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1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
 
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jacob62

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Originally posted by DHK:
1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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DHK

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1John 4:4 demonstrates that it is impossible for a Christian to be possessed by a demon. To concede that a Christian could be possessed would mean that a demon can be greater than God. Impossible! The Bible states that "You are the temple of the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit dwells in you, i.e., the believer. The two (demonic spirit and Holy Spirit), cannot co-habit together. This is an utter impossibility. The believer can be influenced by the devil, even to the point of being oppressed by the devil--but newer possessed.
DHK
 
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jacob62

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Then perhaps many people who claim to be Christian are not really "true believers"(the ones that cast out demons,heal the sick,raise the dead,poison has no effect).They just have the label Christian and pretend that parts of the bible are out of date(the parts that they cannot do).In the bible it speaks of these false prophets,"always learning,but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." But that could not possibly be anyone on this board could it?No way!It has to be somebody else.The Catholics-Pentecostals-Jehovahs Wittness-Anybody but me! The Troll
 

DHK

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the parts they cannot do
Like raising the dead. Have you ever raised the dead--like Lazarus--four days after he had already died and been buried. Can you do that? We'd like to see some evidence of that.

If you can't provide such evidence then I suggest that you stop bringing slurs upon those who you disagree with.
DHK
 
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