Casual approaches to worship

[AresMan]

Since we are soldiers in God's army, we should wear military uniforms to church; or better yet, full iron suits of armor.

 

[Ransom]

Salamander said:

What a laugh, so you can't deal with the subject, huh?

You are the joke here. Only a complete nutcase could take a thread about dressing well in church and turn it into a thread about nudity in church.

If you want to start a thread about nudity in church, I won't stop you. Just don't expect me to contribute anything to such a stupid topic. If you think I can't "deal" with it as a result, so be it. You're entitled to your delusions of grandeur.

 

[Ransom]

CarolinaBaptist said:

I can assure you that I focus on my own worship, whether corporate or personal. (emphasis added)

I thought that one of the major problems with so much "contemporary" worship - of which casual dress is allegedly a symptom - was that the worshippers were focused on self rather than God? That so many contemporary choruses were centred on self or on the worship experience instead of on the Almighty?

How ironic.

 

[Ron Arndt]

No one is focusing on oneself by wearing casual wear to church. One feels much more comfortable coming to church in nice casual clothes than a starchy white shirt and a tie, trust me.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
There you go again blathering out your root of bitterness!

There you go again, accusing others of doing what you did.

I observed many of your posts and that church looks like it could be your type, I dunno, and I WAS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! doing as you accused.

Yes you were, but I don't expect you to acknowlege it (you never do). I doubt you have any knowlege of what kind of church is "my type". </font>[/QUOTE]One is known by the words of his mouth. Yourself included.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
I do rememebr some one stating they were starting a nude church, any comments?

Perhaps if you could actually stick to the topic. So far, you've been unable to provide scriptural support for your contentions. </font>[/QUOTE]If i did offer you Scriptural support, you would only slither around it and say, "That doesn't apply. It doesn't say specifically."

The problem you have is that you cannot accept precept upon precept, nor anything taught by principle.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:
Why is the issue of what your neighbor is wearing distracting you in worship? Keep your eyes on Christ. By looking at me, and discussing my tie (or lack thereof) your eyes are off of Christ, and on me.

You guys are welcome at my church anytime. No matter what you wear, you'll fit in.

Maybe you should consider how "loud" your appearnce is?

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by tinytim:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
Oh, and my pastor, God's "undershepherd" of our church, says that every preacher ought to always wear a tie to church, so to not wear one to church would be disobeying God's man for our church.

I appreciate your respect for your pastor, but shouldn't you be double checking scripture against any man of God? I emphasize to my people that they should check out everything I say against Scripture. If the Word of God doesn't back it up, a preacher has no business stating something. </font>[/QUOTE]Obviously, your mentality rooted in the uproar of the '60's overwhelms normal reason.

I believe one ought to be edified, not corrupted by some mode of dress rooted in rebellion, don't you?

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by whatever:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
Not exactly, Jesus showed us all that if the heart is right, the outside will be right.

What we see this day in the form of modernism, is the vessel may be white on the inside, but the outside if covered with dead men's bones.

The big problem is that you seem to have equated a suit and tie with the outside being right. Jesus also taught that when the heart is wrong we will be overly concerned with what others think about our outsides. </font>[/QUOTE]Not exactly that either, for man looketh on the outward appearance, and the last time I checked, we are not to witness to God by our outward appearance, but to man.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Ransom:
Salamander said:

What a laugh, so you can't deal with the subject, huh?

You are the joke here. Only a complete nutcase could take a thread about dressing well in church and turn it into a thread about nudity in church.

If you want to start a thread about nudity in church, I won't stop you. Just don't expect me to contribute anything to such a stupid topic. If you think I can't "deal" with it as a result, so be it. You're entitled to your delusions of grandeur.

My! What a "Christian"!! One who thinks himself to be wise will be humiliated.

Nudity is applied reason through Scripture. Since you seem to avoid the fact the more casual, the more nude aspect, i would say i am right, again.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

Quote by Salamander:
Maybe you should consider how "loud" your appearnce is?

Maybe.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Salamander:
If i did offer you Scriptural support, you would only slither around it and say, "That doesn't apply. It doesn't say specifically."

Perhaps if you stopped coming up with excuses and provided scriptural support. Your lack of ability to provide scriptural support supports my claim that there is none.

The problem you have is that you cannot accept precept upon precept, nor anything taught by principle.

You have not been able to show any principle whatsoever, other than human subjectivity, for your claims.

 

[Ransom]

Salamander said:

Since you seem to avoid the fact the more casual, the more nude aspect

Yeah, and I also avoid the fact of the Tooth Fairy.

 

[guitarpreacher]

This whole argument is messed up. When I worship on Sunday morning I wear a nice, clean pair of Levi's and a nice shirt. (usually a sweater this time of year) When I worship on the way to work everyday I wear off-brand jeans that are usually not so clean and the t-shirt with the company logo. When I worship on the lawn tractor I wear cut-offs and the depending on the temp, the shirt is optional. And when I worship in the shower I have absolutely nothing on but a smile. Sorry if that's too much info for you.

But wherever I am and whatever I'm wearing, I sincerely try to worship God with everything I have. And never, ever, do I approach worship casually.

If worship is something you only do once a week in one cerain place and you have to wear a certain set of clothes, you seriously missed something.

 

[guitarpreacher]

This whole argument is messed up. When I worship on Sunday morning I wear a nice, clean pair of Levi's and a nice shirt. (usually a sweater this time of year) When I worship on the way to work everyday I wear off-brand jeans that are usually not so clean and the t-shirt with the company logo. When I worship on the lawn tractor I wear cut-offs and the depending on the temp, the shirt is optional. And when I worship in the shower I have absolutely nothing on but a smile. Sorry if that's too much info for you.

But wherever I am and whatever I'm wearing, I sincerely try to worship God with everything I have. And never, ever, do I approach worship casually.

If worship is something you only do once a week in one cerain place and you have to wear a certain set of clothes, you seriously missed something.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Ransom:
Salamander said:

Since you seem to avoid the fact the more casual, the more nude aspect

Yeah, and I also avoid the fact of the Tooth Fairy.

And to think of all those knickles you missed! probably a dollar by now?

I wonder how you're calling the toothfairy fact adds to your credibility?

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Salamander:
If i did offer you Scriptural support, you would only slither around it and say, "That doesn't apply. It doesn't say specifically."

Perhaps if you stopped coming up with excuses and provided scriptural support. Your lack of ability to provide scriptural support supports my claim that there is none.

The problem you have is that you cannot accept precept upon precept, nor anything taught by principle.

You have not been able to show any principle whatsoever, other than human subjectivity, for your claims. </font>[/QUOTE]Your departing from the faith of our forefathers doesn't allow you much to stand upon, at least they knew what modesty and integrety were; I try to maintain an attitude of gratitude towards Him who purchased me from the slaveblock of sin as to show Him respect by my utmost for is His Highest, not my casual attire to make me feel more comfortable when he deserves my best.

It's called heart,body, and soul worship; something you seem to know very little about, it includes my whole being subject to God, not just my opinion telling God how I will worship Him.

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Ron Arndt:
No one is focusing on oneself by wearing casual wear to church. One feels much more comfortable coming to church in nice casual clothes than a starchy white shirt and a tie, trust me.

Maybe you should try a cotton polyester blend, say 80% to 20% poly? Actually they are quite comfortable and cool, temperature wise that is, not "kewl".

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Salamander:
Your departing from the faith of our forefathers doesn't allow you much to stand upon, at least they knew what modesty and integrety were...

Interesting. I ask for scriptural support for your claim, and get accused of departing from the faith, immodesty, and lack of integrity. Interesting. And still, there is no attempt by you to provide scriptural support for your position.

I try to maintain an attitude of gratitude towards Him who purchased me from the slaveblock of sin as to show Him respect by my utmost for is His Highest, not my casual attire to make me feel more comfortable when he deserves my best.

Again, no scriptural support for the idea that casual attire is somehow showing less gratitude or respect than more formal attire.

It's called heart,body, and soul worship; something you seem to know very little about, it includes my whole being subject to God, not just my opinion telling God how I will worship Him.

Once again, where is the scriptural support for the idea that casual attire is less an example of heart, body, and soul worship than formal attire. The only support you demonstrate is human subjectivity and social custom. But you're not making a claim for casual attire being less righteous in matters of subjectivity or custom. You're making a claim that casual attire is less righteous as a scriptural absolute.

 

[Salamander]

Oh, and most casual attire is cut to outline the bodily figure, which then brings it into question in regard to modest apparel.