Catholic doctrine vs Calvinist.

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another canon from trent..

Quote:
CANON XI.-If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of God; let him be anathema.
Is this something you (the reader) agrees with?

The Cannon is saying there is an exclusion of Grace in justification.....Cant agree wit DAT.

 

[Jarthur001]

There is a lot in this canon as well.

either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ

This is saying...
If one believes justification comes from imputed transfer.......or imputed righteousness

This is building a case for "Infused grace"

The RCC says grace is given and we remain in a state of grace only as long we continue in cooperation, {synergistic} with the infused righteousness of that grace. Grace is a supernatural gift, meaning it does not come from us, our bodies cannot make it, but it can dies, or be hurt by our sin. So if we do not cooperation with grace, it will not remain with us.


The RCC does not teach that our relationship with God continues FULLY after we sin. It does not undo baptism, which they teach does away with the sin nature. (If I understand it right). but the grace we once had is damaged. So the RC must reestablished by the sacrament of reconciliation. They must confession the sin, repent, and ask forgiveness.


Reformers saw God as a father, who continues to care for the elect even when they sint. Like a human father, he does exercise discipline. This is unconditional love. We still are in a state of righteousness because our righteousness is not based on what we do. It is based on what Christ has done, and his righteousness is given to us...placed on us..imputed.

We remain in a state of grace only as long as by our continuing cooperation, this infused righteousness continues to be present. It is a supernatural gift, meaning that it's not something we could develop on our own. That's the reason that it ceases to be present after mortal sin.


The Reformed view says that "imputed righteousness" or "forensic justification"represents Christ's righteousness being accredited to our account even through we NOTHING.


While I am a Calvinist and John Calvin was the one that set this doctrine in words for the church so I disagree with the RCC, at least they don't jump back and forth on synergist teaching. Some, hav god in full control at times, and other times man must work with God.

 

[Jarthur001]

The next words....

or by the sole remission of sins

OR.....If anyone says that FAITH ALONE forgives sin.....

This again is toward the Reformers and the doctrines they wrote. The doctrine they wrote was sola fide.

The RCC believe's in faith PLUS works. It's a belief that includes indulgences draw on the Treasure House of Merit which only the pope has keys to unlock. This comes from specific good works and prayers from the sinner, that the pope can ADD to your account. One can also prayer to MARY....who has more merit than she knows what to do with.

All of this just belittles the power of the cross. To me it says Christ blood didn't do one thing.


Once again we have the Reformers to think for FAITH ALONE teachings. This was not preached in ANY CHURCH of that day before the Reformers.

Reformers say.. justification is effected by divine action alone (monergism),
and NOT by divine and human action together (synergism) or by human action.

 

[Jarthur001]

The next phrase in the canon...

to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost,

Now this statement we could go right to Scripture again and show error. But I want to post the words of Council of Orange.

CANON 6. If anyone says that God has mercy upon us when, apart from his grace, we believe, will, desire, strive, labor, pray, watch, study, seek, ask, or knock, but does not confess that it is by the infusion and inspiration of the Holy Spirit within us that we have the faith, the will, or the strength to do all these things as we ought; or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, “What have you that you did not receive?” (1 Cor. 4:7), and, “But by the grace of God I am what I am” (1 Cor. 15:10).

Look how far the church had slipped. Thank God once again for the Reformers study of the Bible and of early church fathers, and re-finding and putting in the words, even building the doctrines of Grace based on Scripture.

Ephesians 2:8–9 (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.



The Reformers stand alone on grace.

Chart from LINK

Tradition............,............How.............Type......................Permanence.................................Justificatio & Sanctification
Roman Catholic.............Process.........Synergism.............Can be lost via mortal sin .............Part of the same process
Lutheran........................Process..........Divine monergism ...Can be lost via loss of faith ......Separate from and prior to sanctification
Methodist ......................Event ...........Synergism ..............Can be lost ..................................Dependent upon continued sanctification
Orthodox ......................Process .........Synergism .............Can be lost via mortal sin .............Part of the same process of theosis
Reformed .....................Event .............Divine monergism ...Cannot be lost ...........................Both are a result of union with Christ