Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior Continued

[John Yurich]

This is a continuation of the thread titled "Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior" because the first thread was closed because the number of posts reached the limit. I don't see what the problem is that I attend and am a member of the local Catholic parish on Saturday in addition to attending/being a member of the local Baptist Church every Sunday morning.

 

[Adonia]

This is a continuation of the thread titled "Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior" because the first thread was closed because the number of posts reached the limit. I don't see what the problem is that I attend and am a member of the local Catholic parish on Saturday in addition to attending/being a member of the local Baptist Church every Sunday morning.

Okay, since you want to continue the discussion, let's go!

Now, my last question to you was which teaching do you accept concerning the Holy Eucharist? The Baptists teach that it is just a "symbol". The Catholic Church teaches that contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord, (the "Real Presence"). The Lutherans also believe in the "Real Presence". Now, which teaching do you believe?

 

[37818]

This is a continuation of the thread titled "Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior" because the first thread was closed because the number of posts reached the limit. I don't see what the problem is that I attend and am a member of the local Catholic parish on Saturday in addition to attending/being a member of the local Baptist Church every Sunday morning.

Radio talk show host Huge Hewitt attends a Catholic mass and attends a Presbyterian church for its preaching. Not that I agree with this.

 

[Adonia]

Radio talk show host Huge Hewitt attends a Catholic mass and attends a Presbyterian church for its preaching. Not that I agree with this.

There is no Church directive that says a Catholic cannot attend another denominations services. Such attendance however does not excuse the person from attending Mass as required. I myself attend worship services at truck stops from time to time, usually led by a Baptist chaplain.

 

[John Yurich]

Okay, since you want to continue the discussion, let's go!

Now, my last question to you was which teaching do you accept concerning the Holy Eucharist? The Baptists teach that it is just a "symbol". The Catholic Church teaches that contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord, (the "Real Presence"). The Lutherans also believe in the "Real Presence". Now, which teaching do you believe?

I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion.

 

[Walter]

I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion.

Ok, can you explain how you accept both the Lutheran teaching and the Baptist teaching? Are you saying they are both correct?

 

[37818]

I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion.

The Lutheran position is called consubstantiantion where the body and blood of Jesus becomes the bread and fruit of the vine in the cup. While typically Baptist hold the bread and cup are sybolic, being metaphor for the body and blood of Christ. In any case the observance is not a matter of salvation, in that the observance of the remembrance, how ever the bread and cup are interpreted, is a work of faith. Salvation being by grace, through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6). Grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, which was rediscovered in the protestant reformation. Which I understand you agree with.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion.

The church of rome teaches another Gospel, so why even attend that?

 

[Walter]

The Lutheran position is called consubstantiantion where the body and blood of Jesus becomes the bread and fruit of the vine in the cup. While typically Baptist hold the bread and cup are sybolic, being metaphor for the body and blood of Christ. In any case the observance is not a matter of salvation, in that the observance of the remembrance, how ever the bread and cup are interpreted, is a work of faith. Salvation being by grace, through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6). Grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, which was rediscovered in the protestant reformation. Which I understand you agree with.

Actually, the Lutheran position is not called consubstantiation-something I was taught at a Baptist college.The Lutheran confessions speak rather of a “sacramental union.” The bread and the wine are somehow united to Christ’s Body and Blood. You can do a simple internet search and find that Lutheran's view 'consubstantiation' as heresy.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Lutheran position is called consubstantiantion where the body and blood of Jesus becomes the bread and fruit of the vine in the cup. While typically Baptist hold the bread and cup are sybolic, being metaphor for the body and blood of Christ. In any case the observance is not a matter of salvation, in that the observance of the remembrance, how ever the bread and cup are interpreted, is a work of faith. Salvation being by grace, through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6). Grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, which was rediscovered in the protestant reformation. Which I understand you agree with.

The much larger issue is which Gospel is being taught and held, and both Rome and Lutherans would add something to grace only faith alone!

 

[37818]

Actually, the Lutheran position is not called consubstantiation-something I was taught at a Baptist college.The Lutheran confessions speak rather of a “sacramental union.” The bread and the wine are somehow united to Christ’s Body and Blood. You can do a simple internet search and find that Lutheran's view 'consubstantiation' as heresy.

It is called consubstantiation, and the better expliantion then what I gave is the concept that the real body and blood coexists with the bread and the juice, the fruit of the vine.

What you are unahle to understand is why a work of faith is never the requirement. Because of this, it remains not possible for you to believe God's true grace, through faith without the work. (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6). You may understand what you disagree with. And why you believe what you believe. But unable to understand the why of what you disagree with.

 

[loDebar]

This is a continuation of the thread titled "Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior" because the first thread was closed because the number of posts reached the limit. I don't see what the problem is that I attend and am a member of the local Catholic parish on Saturday in addition to attending/being a member of the local Baptist Church every Sunday morning.

if both churches teach the same, there is trouble, The conflict does not center around Jesus but others and the methods we ascribe honor to him and the hierarchy of the Catholic church having precedence over Christ
There are believers in the Catholic church just as the Baptist but if you do not have a conflict, the strength doctrine is weak

In other words , you do not know the importance of what either believes

 

[Adonia]

I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion.

If you do not accept the Catholic Church's teaching on one of it's most basic doctrines, I sure hope that you are not presenting yourself for Holy Communion at Mass.

But besides that, let's see if we can clear this up as I would like some clarifying testimony from you on this. (I can be a bit hard headed) The Baptist teaching is that there is no presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist - it is merely a symbol. Is that what you believe to be true?

As for the Lutherans, while they reject the idea of "transubstantiation", they do believe that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist. Are you telling me that you also believe that to be true?

If you believe that both the Lutherans and the Baptists have the correct teaching on the Holy Eucharist, then please explain the glaring contradiction that is present in your belief.

 

[Adonia]

Ok, can you explain how you accept both the Lutheran teaching and the Baptist teaching? Are you saying they are both correct?

I can't wait to hear his explanation.

 

[Adonia]

The much larger issue is which Gospel is being taught and held, and both Rome and Lutherans would add something to grace only faith alone!

We add nothing, we only believe all that is taught in the scriptures. Faith is the entry point, we will be judged according to what we have done in this life.

 

[John Yurich]

Ok, can you explain how you accept both the Lutheran teaching and the Baptist teaching? Are you saying they are both correct?

I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion because it is scriptural compared to the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion because it is also scriptural. Yes, both the Lutheran and Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion are scriptural.

 

[John Yurich]

The church of rome teaches another Gospel, so why even attend that?

I attend Catholic Mass because I like liturgical worship.

 

[John Yurich]

The Lutheran position is called consubstantiantion where the body and blood of Jesus becomes the bread and fruit of the vine in the cup. While typically Baptist hold the bread and cup are sybolic, being metaphor for the body and blood of Christ. In any case the observance is not a matter of salvation, in that the observance of the remembrance, how ever the bread and cup are interpreted, is a work of faith. Salvation being by grace, through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6). Grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, which was rediscovered in the protestant reformation. Which I understand you agree with.

The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is not called consubstantiation. On another forum I made the mistake of referring to the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion as consubstantiation and the wife of a Lutheran Pastor stated that the Lutheran Church does not have a term for the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. She stated it is just called the Sacrament of the Altar.

 

[John Yurich]

The much larger issue is which Gospel is being taught and held, and both Rome and Lutherans would add something to grace only faith alone!

Wrong. Luther taught that salvation is by grace through faith alone in Jesus.

 

[Adonia]

I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion because it is scriptural compared to the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion because it is also scriptural. Yes, both the Lutheran and Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion are scriptural.

There is only one truth on this. Jesus is either truly present as the Lutherans (and Catholics claim) or it is just a symbol as the Baptists claim. They (the Baptists) do not even use the proper elements as commanded in the Scriptures. So it is clear, your contradiction and confusion continues.

As I said before, since you reject the Catholic doctrine on the Holy Eucharist I sincerely hope that you do not present yourself at the altar for Holy Communion. Such a thing would be disrespectful and dare I say even blasphemous since you no longer believe the Catholic teaching on the matter.