Originally posted by DanPC:
As for Jews in ghettoes--they weren't prisons so don't overstate your point again.
Unfortunately I can't find anything objective on this on the internet so can't really post a
reply.
As for the pre-WWII Church and Cardinal Pacelli--later to become Pope Pius XII--
In 1928, the Vatican issued a statement declaring that the Church, “just as it reproves all
rancours in conflicts between peoples, to the maximum extent condemns hatred of the
people once chosen by God, the hatred that commonly goes by the name of
anti-Semitism.”
[Pius XI in 1938] "Mark well that in the Catholic Mass, Abraham is our Patriarch and
forefather. Anti-Semitism is incompatible with the lofty thought, which that fact
expresses. It is a movement with which we Christians can have nothing to do. No, no, I
say to you it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. It is inadmissible.
Through Christ and in Christ we are the spiritual progeny of Abraham. Spiritually, we are
all Semites."
Doesn't sound too harsh recently, does it?
Dan, Jews were locked in, the walls were patrolled by "Christian" guards, Jews had to get
the written permission of the clergy to leave the walls even for 1 day (to work). Women
would be born in the ghetto and die in it, never leaving its 1 or 2 streets. As noted, they
were places of overcrowding (they were never enlarged, even when the population
increased) and despair. In the Roman one, as noted, they were forbidden by the pope to
have public schools, a hospital, library etc. They were a direct breaking of the
commandment to love your neighbour.
I dont recall mentioning cardinal Parcelli, or of saying he was pro Nazi.
Re the 1928 statement, to flesh out the actual significance of it, it is helpful to go to the
pages of the semi official Civilta Cattolica. It was here that the practical consequences of
Papal policy were seen. Committed to Vatican orthodoxy, it also set the trend for many
other Catholic periodicals, and was held in high esteem by Catholics generally. On May 19, 1928 it
supplied further insight into the thinking behind the Vatican decision. The society had erred, it stated, when they had “covered up not only [the Jews’] defects but also their historic crimes, and attenuated the traditional [Church] language and even that used in the sacred liturgy.” The article further described Jews as being “blinded or hardened in their guilt,” and as being “more exposed to hatred than other people because of their own misdeeds.” They were also the Church’s “most relentless enemies and persecutors.” It expressly noted that only those anti-Semitisms which sprang from a non-Christian base were condemned, and in this context, condemned Liberalism for releasing them from the
ghetto, the church’s chosen way of dealing with them. As a result they were now “bold
and powerful,” and had “an even more preponderant condition of privilege, especially
economic, in modern society.” The article also blamed the Jews for Bolshevism, accused
them of controlling international finance and politics, of unleashing religious persecution
against Catholics and the clergy, and of promoting the separation of church
and state. In discussing a papal condemnation of secular anti-Semitism, it clearly felt an
overwhelming need to reaffirm and restate traditional Catholic Jew hatred. The Vatican
condemnation of anti-Semitism in 1928 was therefore restricted to secular anti-Semitism,
issued in the context of the banning of the Friends of Israel, and accompanied by a
restatement of traditional, religious anti-Semitism. It was also during Pius XI’s tenure
that the Civilta Cattolica wrote that “In its original form, anti-Semitism is nothing but the
absolutely necessary and natural reaction to the Jews’ arrogance ... Catholic anti-Semitism-while never going beyond the limits of moral law-adopts all necessary means to emancipate the Christian people from the abuse they suffer from their sworn
enemy.” It is worth noting again that the Civilta Cattolica described itself as the “Semi-official
organ of the Holy See.” The paper had formal approval from Popes Pius IX and Leo XIII.
Their editorial policy was “always and in all matters to reflect the thinking of the Holy See.” It is described as a “touchstone for Catholic orthodoxy, and an exponent of Vatican
thinking.” Its editor was appointed by the pope, and in the 1920s and 1930s was known to have tight ties with the Secretary of State, Eugenio Parcelli, who would later become Pope Pius XII.
Concerning your next quote, on July 14, 1938, when Pope Pius XI told a group of visiting Belgian Catholics that “We acknowledge everyone’s right to self-defence, to take the means to protest themselves against any threat to their legitimate interests. But anti-Semitism is inadmissible. Spiritually, we are Semites.”
This statement is difficult to assess, both in terms of its content and impact. Concerning their content, the positive conclusion is radically
undermined by the first section. The language of self-defence was precisely the language
used by the church [and the Nazis] to justify the boycotts of Jews in Germany, Poland and elsewhere. As early as 1884, the Anti-Semitic party in Hungary stated in a bill presented to parliament that “anti-Semitism merely means Christian peoples adopting a stance of self-defence against Jewish semitism.” To include such a remark in this context negates much of the usefulness of the sentiment. Concerning its impact, these words appear nowhere in the Vatican’s records, either official or semi-official. The reason is that they were not given in a public address, but in a private conversation to three Belgians. The words are assumed to be sincere, but the Pope, as a lawyer, knew well the Roman axiom: “Quod non est in actis non est in mundo” (“What is not in the records is
not in the world”). They were unofficial, off the record, and reconstructed from second-hand testimony. Had the Pope wished to make a public statement, he was quite capable of doing so.
We return to the same unanswered question. If you were in Rome in the 1850s, and the pope ordered you to put Jews in a ghetto, citing canon law and church councils as back up, would you have obeyed the pope and sinned, or obeyed the commands of God?
Awaiting your reply, Colin