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CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

Reynolds

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I also did the research prior to taking the COVID vaccine. We came to different decisions (which is fair).

Some will tell you the vaccine prevents people from getting a disease (which is true for some, but not most, vaccines that produce sterilising immunity. But most vaccines do not produce sterilising immunity (while they produce antibodies against infection they do not stop someone from being infected....i.e., they reduce the severity of the infection).

So for a person to claim a COVID vaccine (or even most vaccines) prevents COVID is false information.

BUT for someone to claim that vaccinated people contracting the disease for which they have been vaccinated proves the vaccine ineffective is equally false.

Most of the false information I have seen (on both sides) are exaggerations of truth, or false with a lit of facts scattered in.

My first litmus test since vaccinations came out was to see how the vaccine was described. If someone said take it and you will not get COVID then I did not listen as they were ignorant if vaccines.

If someone said it is faulty because it does not prevent the disease I likewise did not listen as they were also ignorant.

Just that one question showed the "camp-ishness" of the issue and narrowed down the list of people whose opinions may matter.
This is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy.
 

Reynolds

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I, for two, am not living in fear for myself, but for friends & family members who took the shot. I’m glad you are comfortable with your decision, as I am comfortable with mine.
They are not. If they were, they would not care if we are vaxed. Their vax will protect them. Problem is, they dont believe that.
 

Reynolds

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We just had an "outbreak" of sorts (the delta varient). 17 people. 6 were vaccinated and had mild cold symptoms. The unvacvinated had it worse (one has died so far).

What the OP fails to mention is the fact most in MA are vaccinated. Since the vacvine does not prevent COVID (but hopes to prevent serious illness and death) this is not surprising.

If 100% of the people in MA were vaccinated then 100% in MA who got the virus would be vaccinated.

So the OP is really just propaganda (and would be if the tables were turned as well).
So, Ma is 70% vaccinated and 70% of its cases are vaxed people. Splain me how great the vax is working. Remember, Joe said the vax keeps you from getting Covid. If you cant believe the head idiot, why you going to believe the underling idiots?
 

Reynolds

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now Linda Graham of South Carolina, who was also "fully vaccinated" has tested positive for the Chicom virus:

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some "vaccine"
He is a disgrace to humanity.
 

asterisktom

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Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U.S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U.S. health officials repeated this week.

Pay no attention to the naysayers who post "taint so" but offer no evidence. The numbers of hospitalizations and deaths come from the OP!!!!!

No. I mean Nay. Those numbers, to be precise, are from the link cited in the OP. Have you never cited a source for certain information, but disagreed with other parts of the link?- Those numbers are so ridiculously high and unbelievable that I am surprised that anyone would take them seriously.
 

Van

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No. I mean Nay. Those numbers, to be precise, are from the link cited in the OP. Have you never cited a source for certain information, but disagreed with other parts of the link?- Those numbers are so ridiculously high and unbelievable that I am surprised that anyone would take them seriously.
Yes, many people pick and choose which parts of the Bible to cite, and which to claim do not mean what they say. Personal incredulity is another fallacy they use to push disinformation.
 

asterisktom

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Yes, many people pick and choose which parts of the Bible to cite, and which to claim do not mean what they say. Personal incredulity is another fallacy they use to push disinformation.

Your first sentence is off-topic. And if you really believe those numbers then there is nothing else I can tell you. Clearly you do your research in a very narrow field of sources.
 

JonC

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Joe Biden said it prevents Covid. He said you cant get Covid if you are Vaxed. That old liar Fauchi said that if you received vax you would be asymptomatic at worst. He has said many times asymptomatic people cant spread virus. I will choose which lies I want to believe. The liars at CDC have said everything about the virus. 180 flips almost weekly. Whatever they said today will not be what they saying by months end.
The Vaccine is worthless. Wait till about Hotel, India, and Juliet variant and get back to me.
I wouldn't take Biden at his word if he said water is wet.

Very few vaccines prevent people from getting the virus. Some do offer sterilising immunity, but those are relatively few. The COVID vaccines are not reported to produce sterilising immunity, regardless of what President Biden says. We knew this from the start.

My complaint is there are people who are confused about the vaccine. Some believe vaccines always provide sterilising immunity. Others believe vaccines that do not are not vaccines or are ineffective vaccines. Both of these groups are ignorant and confused.

The COVID vaccine, the Chickenpox vaccine, the measles vaccine....none of these provide sterilising immunity (always that is always the goal).

I do not care who gets vaccinated and who does not. But all this misinformation (on both sides) is juvenile.

The way it looks, it may very well be primarily vaccinated people around to see the juliet versions. :Rolleyes
 

JonC

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This is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy.
The COVID vacvine is technically a vaccine. It uses mRNA, so it is genetically based (mRNA is genetic material). They are not gene therapies because they are unable to alter genes (and the mRNA "burns up quickly", i.e , they are not in the body over a few days).

Also, not all COVID vaccines use mRNA.
 

JonC

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So, Ma is 70% vaccinated and 70% of its cases are vaxed people. Splain me how great the vax is working. Remember, Joe said the vax keeps you from getting Covid. If you cant believe the head idiot, why you going to believe the underling idiots?
Explain how it is not.

You can say the flu vaccine, the Chickenpox vacvine, the COVID vaccine, the measles vaccine, ect are not really vaccines because they don't provide sterilising immunity, but that does not make you correct.
 

Reynolds

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The COVID vacvine is technically a vaccine. It uses mRNA, so it is genetically based (mRNA is genetic material). They are not gene therapies because they are unable to alter genes (and the mRNA "burns up quickly", i.e , they are not in the body over a few days).

Also, not all COVID vaccines use mRNA.
They are in the body long past a few days. That's the problem.
 

Reynolds

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I wouldn't take Biden at his word if he said water is wet.

Very few vaccines prevent people from getting the virus. Some do offer sterilising immunity, but those are relatively few. The COVID vaccines are not reported to produce sterilising immunity, regardless of what President Biden says. We knew this from the start.

My complaint is there are people who are confused about the vaccine. Some believe vaccines always provide sterilising immunity. Others believe vaccines that do not are not vaccines or are ineffective vaccines. Both of these groups are ignorant and confused.

The COVID vaccine, the Chickenpox vaccine, the measles vaccine....none of these provide sterilising immunity (always that is always the goal).

I do not care who gets vaccinated and who does not. But all this misinformation (on both sides) is juvenile.

The way it looks, it may very well be primarily vaccinated people around to see the juliet versions. :Rolleyes
It's going to be primarily unvaxed around after the variants.
 

JonC

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They are in the body long past a few days. That's the problem.
The mRNA is in your body for 2 to 3 days. The longest is at the injection site. The cell breaks down the mRNA (never enters the nucleus).

An article (if I recall, one you posted) described this as the mRNA "burning up".
 

JonC

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It's going to be primarily unvaxed around after the variants.
I doubt it. I suspect more unvaccinated will die, unfortunately, of the virus but those who survive will have a limited protection (the immunity will have less "memory"). Of course vaccinated people will get the virus as well (but with less fatalities...we already see thus with the delta varient) there will be vaccinated and anti-vaccinated....just like with measles.
 

Scott Downey

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Joe Biden said it prevents Covid. He said you cant get Covid if you are Vaxed. That old liar Fauchi said that if you received vax you would be asymptomatic at worst. He has said many times asymptomatic people cant spread virus. I will choose which lies I want to believe. The liars at CDC have said everything about the virus. 180 flips almost weekly. Whatever they said today will not be what they saying by months end.
The Vaccine is worthless. Wait till about Hotel, India, and Juliet variant and get back to me.
Their story and talking points are as unstable as the wind and about as vacuous.

Went from no mask needed to masks for everyone, to no masks, then masks only for unvaccinated, now back to masks for all, including young kids. Were going to make only unvaccinated kids wear masks, now all kids have to wear masks in schools.

And he was saying at one time wear 2 or more masks.

Dr. Fauci Backtracks on Wearing Multiple Face Masks After Pushing It Just One Week Ago | Women System (womensystems.com)

On March, 8 2020 — Dr. Anthony Fauci advised healthy Americans against wearing face masks.

In April 2020 — The CDC said Americans should be wearing face masks for the COVID.

In May 2020 — Dr. Anthony Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine have admitted that masks are little more than symbols. Virtue signaling.

On January 25, 2021 — Dr. Fauci told healthy Americans to wear two masks instead of one.
 
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Reynolds

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The mRNA is in your body for 2 to 3 days. The longest is at the injection site. The cell breaks down the mRNA (never enters the nucleus).

An article (if I recall, one you posted) described this as the mRNA "burning up".
Yep, that's what it is supposed to do. The inventor of the technology has said they have found out that it does not. It remains in organs in some people for months and possibly longer.
 

Reynolds

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Explain how it is not.

You can say the flu vaccine, the Chickenpox vacvine, the COVID vaccine, the measles vaccine, ect are not really vaccines because they don't provide sterilising immunity, but that does not make you correct.
The problem in that lies that the Covid vaxed were touted as having sterilizing immunity. The word was not used but it was said often that you can not get Covid if you are fully vaccinated. Why believe the same liars who now tell us otherwise. You refuse to look at Tell immunity. It's the only immunity that is truly working. I want there to be a good vaccine. If they would come up with a good live virus vaccine, I would be first in line.
That is what they need to do, offer a live virus vaccine.
 

JonC

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Yep, that's what it is supposed to do. The inventor of the technology has said they have found out that it does not. It remains in organs in some people for months and possibly longer.
Who is the inventor of the technology (hint....not Dr. Malone)?

Also, the article you posted earlier claimed the mRNA was quickly destroyed.
 

JonC

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The problem in that lies that the Covid vaxed were touted as having sterilizing immunity. The word was not used but it was said often that you can not get Covid if you are fully vaccinated. Why believe the same liars who now tell us otherwise. You refuse to look at Tell immunity. It's the only immunity that is truly working. I want there to be a good vaccine. If they would come up with a good live virus vaccine, I would be first in line.
That is what they need to do, offer a live virus vaccine.
But none of the scientists and none of the health organizations made that claim. And you do have a few traditional vaccines for COVID.
 

Reynolds

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I doubt it. I suspect more unvaccinated will die, unfortunately, of the virus but those who survive will have a limited protection (the immunity will have less "memory"). Of course vaccinated people will get the virus as well (but with less fatalities...we already see thus with the delta varient) there will be vaccinated and anti-vaccinated....just like with measles.
Are people getting full facts on COVID vaccine risks?
 
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