My direct family esteems my birthday on its day. My close friends esteem it on the weekend closest to my birthday. In fact, I'm celebrating my birthday this weekend with 35 people at a local restaurant. It's not actually the day of my birth, though.Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ituttut:
I believe you do as you say JohnV. Who esteems your birthday on your birthday?
But don’t your friends know the day you celebrate after your birthday is not your birthday? They know when your birthday is and with your consent they observe your birthday on a day that is not your birth date. I cannot find in scripture where the Holy Spirit gives us the date of Jesus’ birth, and can find no where, where Jesus consents to any one celebrating His birthday, and certainly not on a day that pagan’s demanded the “church” observe His birthday.
I am willing to look at and agree with you that the “world” thinking and observance on this Holy Day is God’s wish, if you can give scripture nailing day the exact date that Jesus was born. If not, then I will not join in the “tradition of man”, for the “tradition of Christmas”, is not in the “tradition of God”. II Thessalonians 2:15, ”Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” Paul is not one to hold to anything that smacks of “worldly worship” with the world, and there is no record of his speaking, or writing that entertains the thought of making a Holy Day for the birth of Jesus.
Do we know the reason the Christian observes what should be our only memorial, a remembrance of Jesus? It is not because Jesus told His earthly Apostles to only remember Him by the bread and the wine (not his birthday), for that only applied to those to whom He was talking. They were then to pass this knowledge on to the House of Israel, those that will inherit the earth. That was those that would inherit the kingdom, as shown in Matthew 26:27-29, ”And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28. For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
29. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.” This doesn’t apply to me, to you, or anyone else today. While He lived He never invited us today to be at table with Him in the Kingdom.
So why do we Christians observe, and commune with Him with bread and wine, just as He requests we do? It is because He personally revealed to Paul the Christian should also do this as “oft as we will”, because the “cross” is where it (our remembrance and salvation) is at.
If we are to remember anything (Jesus Christ in Heaven doesn’t give instruction other than that one thing “Lord’s Supper”) on our own it should be the day that Jesus shed His blood. The “mother” church got that wrong also, and all her sister churches are now falling into line to go along with the Friday crucifixion which is an impossibility. It had to be on a Wednesday for prophecy to be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled every prophecy applied to Him. ”Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth,” Titus 1:14.
Amusingly, I have one eccentric aunt who sends me a birthday card every April 11th. That's several months after my birthday. She's done this for years, despite several relatives correcting her. I don't mind, it's the thought that counts. I chuckle, appreciate it, and tell her thank you when I talk to her.And can you name any that esteems your known birthday a couple months after the fact? If so, what do you think of that (or those) person?
</font>[/QUOTE]What else can you do? Seems as if every family I know has one of these people, and (may not be in your case) every one of those people are the wealthiest in the family. It goes with the territory. There are other names for people of this ilk, some such as “rebels, hardheaded, unable to adapt, as well as one that makes their own rules". It’s my way or else, so she is in error in her haughtiness. Those of “pride” do not care for truth, only what they wish to do. This is what the Catholic church did in their “pride” for it was their wish, not the one that was “born”.
I think that is wonderful for she was alive and did not object. Jesus is dead, and we don’t know if he ever observed a celebration on His birthday. If He did, the date was known, and He agreed to it when he was old enough. He does not ask that we remember in that fashion today, for we can find nothing in His Word requesting that we do so.However, a more accurate analogy is my grandmother. No one knows her date of birth, because it was not documented (they didn't even know what year she was born). So my grandfather decided to celebrate her birthday every June 1st. My whole family did this every year until she died.
Today He is alive in heaven and He revealed personally to Paul His heavenly Apostle that we remember Him in only ONE (1) WAY. HIS WAY. This is my body and this is my blood that I am to remember is what He said. I will obey this One (1) wish that He asks of me, and that is to commune with HIM when I do it. Christian faith, ituttut