Irish Pete
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Hi,
Actually the Celtic Church was very monastic, much like the vocations which are in the Roman Catholic Church, but was not initially under the leadership of Rome until later on. There is a lot which is sketchy so caution has to be applied when sifting through what the Celtic Church was like. Most can only be gleaned by Colmcille(St. Columba) and Padraig(St. Patrick), who were both in a role as a Bishop, Pastor, Shepherd....if I left any other descriptives out, forgive me.
A comment about what someone said about the Church of Ireland. The "Church of Ireland" is actually the Anglican church in Ireland, but the Roman Catholic Church makes up about 95% of the Republic and 75% of the entire island, north and south.
This is a fact because I live here.
I know this may be off topic for his thread but if the Catholic Church as we know it today is not perceived by some on this thread to be The Church, then out of some 24,000+ denominations which exist today, which one is?
To whom is our authority? The Holy Scriptures? They didn't exist in their completion until the 4th. century.
Doesn't Paul tell us that "the church of the living God [is] the pillar and foundation of the truth."(I Timothy 3:15b)?
Even if The Holy Scriptures were "the pillar and foundation of the truth", it does not bear witness to it from its pages and history has not borne witness of this fact by the many divisions within protestantism.
Much of protestantism streams from Martin Luther when on 1517 he nailed his 99 thesis to the door of the church in Wittenburg.
Was he right when he threw out much of the canon including the book of James (which by the way he called an epistle of straw), the book of Hebrews and the book of Jude, and all of which is known as the Apocrypha?
Was he right when he agreed with the true presence within communion and justified when he condemned anyone who didn't such as Zinzendorf? Whose side do we position ourselves with now?
When Calvin disagreed with Luther over what he thought were lingering doctrines of the Roman Church which Luther still clung to, whose side do we position ourselves with now?
This is the history of protestantism, and thank God that the Irish Church which is a Catholic Church has still taught the same truths as laid down in the Cathecism of The Catholic Church. The Anglican/Episcopal and other off shoots continued to maintain "sola scriptura" until years went by and all eventually got watered down.
Thank God that the doctrines of Christ in His Church do not and this is verified in the Early Fathers throughout the centuries until today.
Just a thought or two.
Actually the Celtic Church was very monastic, much like the vocations which are in the Roman Catholic Church, but was not initially under the leadership of Rome until later on. There is a lot which is sketchy so caution has to be applied when sifting through what the Celtic Church was like. Most can only be gleaned by Colmcille(St. Columba) and Padraig(St. Patrick), who were both in a role as a Bishop, Pastor, Shepherd....if I left any other descriptives out, forgive me.
A comment about what someone said about the Church of Ireland. The "Church of Ireland" is actually the Anglican church in Ireland, but the Roman Catholic Church makes up about 95% of the Republic and 75% of the entire island, north and south.
This is a fact because I live here.
I know this may be off topic for his thread but if the Catholic Church as we know it today is not perceived by some on this thread to be The Church, then out of some 24,000+ denominations which exist today, which one is?
To whom is our authority? The Holy Scriptures? They didn't exist in their completion until the 4th. century.
Doesn't Paul tell us that "the church of the living God [is] the pillar and foundation of the truth."(I Timothy 3:15b)?
Even if The Holy Scriptures were "the pillar and foundation of the truth", it does not bear witness to it from its pages and history has not borne witness of this fact by the many divisions within protestantism.
Much of protestantism streams from Martin Luther when on 1517 he nailed his 99 thesis to the door of the church in Wittenburg.
Was he right when he threw out much of the canon including the book of James (which by the way he called an epistle of straw), the book of Hebrews and the book of Jude, and all of which is known as the Apocrypha?
Was he right when he agreed with the true presence within communion and justified when he condemned anyone who didn't such as Zinzendorf? Whose side do we position ourselves with now?
When Calvin disagreed with Luther over what he thought were lingering doctrines of the Roman Church which Luther still clung to, whose side do we position ourselves with now?
This is the history of protestantism, and thank God that the Irish Church which is a Catholic Church has still taught the same truths as laid down in the Cathecism of The Catholic Church. The Anglican/Episcopal and other off shoots continued to maintain "sola scriptura" until years went by and all eventually got watered down.
Thank God that the doctrines of Christ in His Church do not and this is verified in the Early Fathers throughout the centuries until today.
Just a thought or two.