KenH said:
So it is your position that Jesus has returned and the lost already sent to hell? Are we ourselves living in a matrix?
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So it is your position that Jesus has returned and the lost already sent to hell? Are we ourselves living in a matrix?
And where is the rod of Iron ?
No Ken, Satan is still at work, and evil is not bound.
No Ken, Satan is still at work, and evil is not bound.
And the bound evil ? Any defense of that ?
KenH
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There are a lot of amillennial commentaries on the book of Revelation. My favorite is More Than Conquerors by William Hendriksen. I pretty much agree with everything that the author states in that book. If anyone wants to know the details of what I believe is the correct eschatological stance, then you can read that book. Brother Hendriksen explains it lots better than I ever could. 
You could explain why evil isn't bound up. That shouldn't be too hard. I say it isn't. What say you ?
Bro. Curtis said:
And I'm still waiting to see a lamb lay down beside a lion - peacefully--------!:sleep:
KenH
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Ya'll can keep asking all the questions you like and my answer will still be the same - read William Hendriksen's book, More Than Conquerors.
If I answer one question more are sure to follow considering how vast the subject of eschatology(and considering how much disagreement there is among Christians about it). All of the answers you would get from me are in that book. If you want to know the answers, read that book. If you don't want to know the answers, then don't read the book.
This is my final reply in this thread concerning my eschatological viewpoint.
If I answer one question more are sure to follow considering how vast the subject of eschatology(and considering how much disagreement there is among Christians about it). All of the answers you would get from me are in that book. If you want to know the answers, read that book. If you don't want to know the answers, then don't read the book.
This is my final reply in this thread concerning my eschatological viewpoint.
If you want to know the answers, read that book. If you don't want to know the answers, then don't read the book.
Scripture doesn't hold those answers ?
Scripture doesn't hold those answers ?
KenH said:
We are not experiencing the Millennial Reign of Christ now, the prophesied Kingdom. That prophesy has not been fulfilled yet...I don't understand how you can even think that...
We are in the "Age of Grace" now, to which the Apostle Paul was sent to minister. There is now no favored nation, only saved individuals from every nationality, in Christ... There is great tribulation coming soon, before which this "Body of Christ" is taken up to meet HIM in the air. At the end of "Jacob's Trouble", the tribulation, the Lord comes back to earth, setting foot on the Mount of Olives, confines satan to Sheol, for a thousand years, and begins HIS Kingdom...
At that time, there will be all those miraculous conditions set, where the lion and the lamb co-exist, the child plays by viper holes, women give birth painlessly, and may have hundreds of children, as the people going in, will live a thousand years. The condition of the earth, with the curse lifted will produce abundant nutrition... At the end, a short season with satan released, then the judgment, and then new heavens and earth...
We are not seeing any of this on planet earth today..... The Kingdom program has been set aside for 2000 years, to be taken up again soon.... Come quickly Lord Jesus.....
Revmitchell said:
Good question...
There were promises made that dealt with future Israel. The bond they had which tied them to God and His promises were the Levitical priesthood and the Law. God fulfilled his promise by sending His Son who came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Though he came unto his own, his own received him not.
So my question clarified is this, God promised to send you a Messiah. God made good on His promise and sent His Son as the Messiah. You reject the Messiah. So now what, is God obligated to send you another Messiah or keep sending Messiah's until you accept one?
I am of the teaching the old covenant decayed and vanished away and that the Lord has made a New, more excellent and better covenant not according to the covenant that was made with their Fathers because after that covenant Israel continued in Sin. But a new covenant based on the priesthood of Melchisedec who was Abraham's priest. We have a new covenant and new priesthood.
God still says I will be to them a God, but the mechanism by which he is their God is the Christ they rejected. So what is Israel now, are they still God's people?
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
LeBuick said:
Yes. He's waiting for them to repent.
Bro. Curtis said:
Good thoughts.... In my view the Church. The Church has the keys and the binding and loosing power. Now keep in mind, the Church came to Israel. The entire Gospel story is about God coming to redeem his lost sheep of the house of Israel. We were just grafted on so are really just inheritors of Israels promise.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And the King of Israel.
My understanding of scripture is that there will be people saved during the tribulation. So I suppose when that great Angel comes from Heaven, with one foot on the land, and one on the sea, and says with his hand pointed up "time no longer can be" is about the end of God's grace, for those that rejected him.
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KenH
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Bro. Curtis said:
Yes, it does. However, if you came up with your own eschatological stance all by your lonesome without any influence whatsoever from a preacher or teacher or commentator, then all I can say is more power to you, brother.
You know as well as I do that we Christians hold a vast multitude of differing eschatological viewpoints. Fortunately, having the correct view of the details of eschatology is irrelevant to salvation.
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