Charismatics

I get the same nonsense. I have been told that If I "intellectualize" the Bible too much I'll quench the Holy Spirit.

 

Interesting that a large number of Biblical Scholars, One I know is from Fuller Theological Seminary are Charasmatic and grounded in the word in the same manner as any other mainstream academic.

Yet people go on and on sledging the Charasmatics, yet nobody ever wants to answer the question of why it is the Charasmatics that are out there doing the work of getting people saved, as per the final instructions of Jesus Christ to the church.

Think carefully about that, how "Christian" is it to spend your time throwing stones at other groups that are out there spreading the Gospel. And it has been proved over and over here that Cessationism is not a doctrine accepted by a number of Baptist Churches.

 

My parents are charismatics. Nearly everyone in my family is Christian. But as of late all my relatives are beginning to become wary of our parent's goonish charismatic ramblings. Every time I go over to their house TBN is blaring in the background to the point you almost have to yell to get a word in edgewise. The only reprieve we get is when I take my son over to stay with them because he gripes and bawls until my mother finally switches it over to nickelodeon or something else. My mother spends nearly all her spare time going to some church function to the point that they are never at home or available for the family to get together and enjoy fellowship. And when we do we just get clubbed over the head with the latest "revelation knowledge" that came from Binny Hinn or some other character from TBN. My parents' behavior, in my opinion, would be more of a detriment to wittnessing to people because if people in my family who are Christians AND relatives are getting tired of their "in your face" style of evangelism, then what about strangers who are not saved? Personally I can't deal with the manufactured high that seems to come along with the charismatic doctrine. You get "pumped up" and then have to "feed" on TBN and other sensationalistic garbage in order to keep riding the wave. Its become a doctrine based on feeling.

 

I worked for a couple of Charismatics for two years. On Sunday they were feeling great. But watch out on Monday. They were always down.

Sometimes some of the stuff they would come home with was so crazy. One time they told me that the preacher told the congregation that all of the leaders in the Bible were wealthy. I told them, "Where does that put Paul?" He made tents for a living to support himself. They didn't like that too well. What some people will believe!

Their preacher is regularly on TBN.

 

Does the fact that they are right in one area make them right in another area? By this logic the Charismatics are on the same par as the J.W.'s, who are just as enthusiastic, if not more, in getting out the "great commission" (their version).

Think carefully how many times Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John warned us in the Bible to beware of false teachers, false prophets, and false doctrine. What was the command given to Timothy (a young pastor) by Paul:

2Tim.4:
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

It has been proved over and over again that not all Baptists accept pre-millennialism; some are post-millennial. That doesn't mean pre-millenniallism is wrong.

It has been proved over and over again that not all Baptists accept Cessationism; some do not. That does not mean cessationism is wrong.

It has been proved over and over again that not all Baptists accept a literal Creation. Some believe the Gap Theory. That doesn't mean a literal seven day creation is wrong.

What is wrong is your logic. Not all Baptists are going to agree on a number of issues. There is a doctrine that almost all Baptists will agree on--it is called soul liberty--the right to disagree.
DHK

 

I don't know of one charismatic from Fuller personally.

You spoke of evangelism as if they are the only one's doing it. Churches don't grow by sitting still and doing nothing. It is by getting the gospel out.

It is not by the elect sitting in their holy huddle. Jesus commanded His disciples to make more disciples. He did not say invent another program.

At one time in a place where I lived My neighbors were charismatics and the children had never won anybody to Christ. In fact one of the daughters got involved with Mormonism. All of the children were home schooled.

Its not about the name. Its about obedience. I'd rather walk with a charismatic that is trying to be obedient than one who has perfect doctrine except obedience.

I just don't happen to agree with their interpretation of scripture.

 

The heretic Dr. C. Peter Wagner is a former 30 year professor of Fuller Theological Seminary. His is the Charismatic “New Apostolic Reformation” movement; this Holy Roller is W-A-Y O-U-T there. I set across from I guy at work who’s church is in with this nutty group. He has told me that his preacher is an Apostle for the greater Detroit area. Well he is not my Apostle, and I asked how he got to be an Apostle. He said he did not know (I guess the Lord told him he was one). But from what I have read of this cult they got Vertical Apostles, Horizontal Apostles, Hyphenated Apostles and Prophets ect… this group is way out there on other issues too.

Your friend Omega

 

Another thing that I notice is that we are putting "Charasmatics" in one basket. How many different denominations are "Charasmatic"? Quite a few, Some of them who also call themselves Baptist.

Making Comments about "Charasmatics" is like accusing an IFB for something that the SBC are into.

How about specifying a denomiation with the Charasmatic group for scrutiny?

How about we start with the Pentecostal Freewill Baptists?

http://www.pfwb.org/main.htm

 

So basically the Pentecostal Freewill Baptist Church (an oxymoron), was a Baptist church up until 1906. Because of their shallow doctrine, not being grounded in the Word of God, they compromised, became ecumenical and were swayed by the Azusa street movement--the beginning of the modern day Pentecostal movement--a speaking in tongues movement previously unknown in history except among heretics. They swallowed this new doctrine hook, line and sinker. They compromised whatever Baptist beliefs they once held to. They were already highly influenced by the Methodists. It seemed that this church could be easily influenced by any church that would come with new doctrine.

Pentecostalism and Baptist are mutually exclusive, one from another. You are either pentecostal or Baptist--not both. Judging by their statement of faith, this church is definitely not Baptist. You can put the name Baptist in your church and be Jehovah's Witness. It won't make you a Baptist, just a wolf in sheep's clothing. That is what this church is. It remains Pentecostal to this day. Baptists do not believe:
--healing is in the atonement.
--speaking in tongues is evidence of baptism of the Spirit.
--We do not believe in the Catholic concept of sacraments.

It doesn't come close to a Baptist statement of faith, and has no right to call itself Baptist.
DHK

 

I took a look at this group too, but first I went looking in the Handbook of Denominations. Searched for them in the BAPTIST section of the book and they were not to be found. So I thought well my copy is an old 1985 edition, and maybe this group is to small for the book? But I thumbed a few pages more to the Pentecostal section of the book, and found them. The book puts this Pentecostal Freewill Baptist Church group in the right section from what I have read (Pentecostal section).


I also checked out a little of their Website.

http://www.pfwb.org/faith-and-practices.html

So because of “doctrinal disputes” they identify with Pentecostals, and their membership is with the Pentecostal Fellowship of North America and its successor organization.

I agree with DHK , I do not see this as any kind of Baptist group, and they identify themselves with Pentecostals. They are Pentecostal and see themselves as such.

Your friend Omega

 

A friend of mine has been a missionary in a country that was free and then communist and now free again. He was there for about 25 years. When he visited me on his furlough he would tell me things that he asked me not to repeat. He told me one time that being there was like going back into the book of Acts. He said that if he were to talk about some of those things here people would take it the wrong way.

When we try and interpret scripture correctly we will have to deal with the same thing Jesus did. Not many will like us because they cannot put us in a camp. The only camp we are in is not at all popular but it is the same one Jesus was in. Jesus always pointed back at what God wanted from the beginning. It is not about being conservative or liberal it is about serving God out of a right theology. A proper theology perseveres and leads to the right God. But an improper one leads people astray.