its called Millinium exclusion, and found here on BB under the noted at beginning for the "banned" items to discuss!
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Charles Stanley on Eternal Security
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its called Millinium exclusion, and found here on BB under the noted at beginning for the "banned" items to discuss!
The OP is about the eternal security beliefs of Charles Stanley and how they drffer from most in the SBC and other eternal security believers.
The biggest difference that I see is that Charles Stanley believes a person does not have to be trusting Christ when he dies to go to heaven. Almost all evangelical Christians believe that trusting Christ when you die is a requirement to go to heaven.
Christians who differ from Stanley on this include: Calvinists, most ES believers, Classic Arminians, Wesleyan Arminians, and the RCC. Only groups like the universalists and some small Calvinist groups, agree with Stanley on this issue.
To me, this is the major difference between Stanley's beliefs and what most Christian's believe. Yet, many Christians just look the other way concerning this issue. Why do Christians ignore this?
The biggest difference that I see is that Charles Stanley believes a person does not have to be trusting Christ when he dies to go to heaven. Almost all evangelical Christians believe that trusting Christ when you die is a requirement to go to heaven.
Christians who differ from Stanley on this include: Calvinists, most ES believers, Classic Arminians, Wesleyan Arminians, and the RCC. Only groups like the universalists and some small Calvinist groups, agree with Stanley on this issue.
To me, this is the major difference between Stanley's beliefs and what most Christian's believe. Yet, many Christians just look the other way concerning this issue. Why do Christians ignore this?
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Thank you!
Millineal Exclusion is heresy and has been deemed such by this board's administrators. NOw i don't believe is is wrong to discuss it as it has been brought up here, I believe what has been banned is the promoting of it here on this board. I could be wrong, but I don't see bringing it up in a discussion such as it was here should be a problem, it's just when someone tries to defend it as truth.
Stanely is WAY WRONG on the issue of ME and I don't think he explains OSAS very well with his point of views, however, I have benefited from listening to him preach sound biblical topics many times.
To me, this issue also can open up a side can of worms, namely that just SOME would get raptured by the Lord, and rest left to "purify" themselves!
So that would be "mini" exclusion!
That is assuming one holds to a Rapture of course, as I do!
True believers cannot become unbelievers...unbiblical.
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Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
Wouldn't you say a disagreement on what does or does not qualify a person for heaven when they die, should be a major issue?
Believers that suffer from dementia or brain damage are now lost? Why the warnings about not becoming deceived (another physical result)?
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Originally Posted by drfuss
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
I have no idea how your comment relates to what I had written above. Perhaps you were responding to someone else.
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
I have no idea how your comment relates to what I had written above. Perhaps you were responding to someone else.
Originally Posted by drfuss
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
So we should avoid Stanley?
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
So we should avoid Stanley?
Originally Posted by drfuss
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
I have no idea how your comment relates to what I had written above. Perhaps you were responding to someone else.
Not seeing how you don't. Apparently you do not agree with Stanley on THIS point, which I do. If one cannot be deceived into believing something false concerning Christ and soteriology (many believers are "coming home" to the RCC based on their latest push...the great apostacy maybe?), then the warning given are not real or true. If a person can forget their own child due to dementia, why can't they forget Christ or revert back to pre-salvation?
I ignore him. I have better things to do with my time. I can find much more profitable people to either listen to, or better yet to read. I have a library of excellent sermons from well known preachers. But the best one is the Bible.Originally Posted by drfuss
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
So we should avoid Stanley?
The life in the Spirit is a conscious determinate walk. Older people can and often do lose the mental powers and do revert back to cursing and the like. Their fleshly nature must be consciously "with the mind" opposed by yeilding to the Spirit of God. I have seen this occur many times when I worked in nursing homes. As a chaplain in the Baptist Hospital in Lexington Kentucky I talked to many children who were shocked that their godly parents and grandparents reverted back to cursing and hatefulness and other fruits of the flesh due to dementia, Alzheimers and other diseases that affected the mental state.
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Originally Posted by drfuss
Okay, so you disagree with Stanley's belief which is "a True Christian can stop trusting in Christ and still go to heaven in an unbelieving state". Most Christians also disagree with Stanley on this, but ignore it. Why do they ignore it?
So we should avoid Stanley?
Yes, he preaches a false gospel ! Before I was converted I was a member of his church !
Okay, thank you for responding.
isn't it MORE true that he preaches the Gospel, but has misunderstanding in this one area?
savedbymercy
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He preaches a false gospel, he and andy !
What bunk. Both teach salvation by grace through faith. You will give an account for your slander to the Lord one day.
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