Chicago Mayor Lightfoot violates mask mandate

[canadyjd]

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Viruses are not just floating out of people. They are in a type of suspension (like saliva, sweat, mucus, etc.).

You can deny that masks stop these droplets, but I belueve everybody (including you) knows better.

You can deny that stopping droplets containing viruses is a protective measure, but again I think everybody (including you) knows better.

I have already conceded the point to you. Viruses spread through droplets. The n95 mask stops 95% of droplets.

If a family of 4 wears a N95 mask 24 hours a day, 7 days a week they will be protected from 95% of droplets that might contain a virus that the overwhelming majority of people will survive with no lasting problems 99.9+% of the time. Children have even better natural protection.

It will cost them $4-6 per single use mask, which is hundreds of dollars a month.

You win. I agree with your arguments about N95 masks stopping 95% to f droplets.

Take the win JonC. Do a happy dance. Bask in the victory.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

I have already conceded the point to you. Viruses spread through droplets. The n95 mask stops 95% of droplets.

If a family of 4 wears a N95 mask 24 hours a day, 7 days a week they will be protected from 95% of droplets that might contain a virus that the overwhelming majority of people will survive with no lasting problems 99.9+% of the time. Children have even better natural protection.

It will cost them $4-6 per single use mask, which is hundreds of dollars a month.

You win. I agree with your arguments about N95 masks stopping 95% to f droplets.

Take the win JonC. Do a happy dance. Bask in the victory.

peace to you

Rain check.

I can't do the happy dance. I twisted my back last weekend and am still recovering.

The N95 mask is sufficient (the P95 and the N95 are the same as far as particlw filtration, but the P95 also filters out oil particles).

I have both. The N95 is about $1.10 each if you buy 50.

I wear neither. While I recognize they are effective I'm not a mask kinda guy.

 

[canadyjd]

Rain check.

I can't do the happy dance. I twisted my back last weekend and am still recovering.

The N95 mask is sufficient (the P95 and the N95 are the same as far as particlw filtration, but the P95 also filters out oil particles).

I have both. The N95 is about $1.10 each if you buy 50.

I wear neither. While I recognize they are effective I'm not a mask kinda guy.

Sorry about your back. If I were with you, and you lay in the floor, I’d walk on your back for you.

Ok, in your area basically $5 a day for family of 4. $35 a week. $175 a month for a mask that block 95% of droplets that might contain a virus that the overwhelming majority of people will tolerate with no major problems 99.9+% of the time with children having even better natural immunity.

Back to the OP

How many children’s lives were endangered by Mayor Lightfoot when she refused to wear s mask in that crowded arena? Dozens? Hundreds?

At the bare minimum, she should lose visitation rights to her grandchildren for her anti-science, mask denying behavior.

peace to you

 

[just-want-peace]

Funny....I had thought the same about you from time to time.

I do not believe the DNC thinks things through. You may agree with Fauci. That's your business.

But I will ask you -

P95 masks provide a protection level of PF10 against alpha particles. Not very good....but some protection.

P95 masks filter 95% of particles .1 to .3 microns. The covid virus is .125 microns not counting suspension.

How can P95 masks not provide any protection against viruses?

Jon, I know squat about P95 masks. Never heard of them till this bug started buzzing around, so I don't know what this has to do with being paid by the DNC.

Don't know why you would think the same about me, 'cause as far as I recollect I've hardly ever agreed with dems on
anything!

Incidentally, with all your experience in posting & verbal assaults, I would have expected a better retort than "I had thought the same about you from time to time. " No matter, but sure you didn't have somebody else in mind?

I'm certainly not the poster that keeps pushing the vax, like you do. As noted before, MANY TIMES, I've been zapped, but, BUT I have absolutely NO problem with those who refuse it, cause I very seriously considered refusing, & if I had not already been stuck, I would probably refuse it.
I'm not the one who routinely "bad-mouths" the ant-vaxers like you do - though very subtly I will admit.
And neither do I label them as "demanding rights that harm others"! From my perspective this is dead in line with the dems - hence my comment of your "employ" by the DNC!

With this I bid you adieu, and may God bestow His favor upon you & yours, and may all y'all avoid the "chino-dem crisis"!!

 

[JonC]

Sorry about your back. If I were with you, and you lay in the floor, I’d walk on your back for you.

Ok, in your area basically $5 a day for family of 4. $35 a week. $175 a month for a mask that block 95% of droplets that might contain a virus that the overwhelming majority of people will tolerate with no major problems 99.9+% of the time with children having even better natural immunity.

Back to the OP

How many children’s lives were endangered by Mayor Lightfoot when she refused to wear s mask in that crowded arena? Dozens? Hundreds?

At the bare minimum, she should lose visitation rights to her grandchildren for her anti-science, mask denying behavior.

peace to you

I don't know ow about the mayor (don't know where she went).

I do not wear a mask except at work and only because it is required.

The thing is we have to weigh risks. That applies to masks just Iike I said it does with vaccines.

It is much safer never to ride in an automobile. It is safer to never put on a pair of skates or ride a bicycle.

When I said that masks do help stop the virus from spreading through droplets I was not saying we should all wear masks.

My employer says to wear a mask. So I wear a mask. That is their right as an employer. They are not forcing me (I could simply quit and find another job).

In other words, knowing something works does not mean I have to do it.

 

[JonC]

Jon, I know squat about P95 masks. Never heard of them till this bug started buzzing around, so I don't know what this has to do with being paid by the DNC.

Don't know why you would think the same about me, 'cause as far as I recollect I've hardly ever agreed with dems on
anything!

Incidentally, with all your experience in posting & verbal assaults, I would have expected a better retort than "I had thought the same about you from time to time. " No matter, but sure you didn't have somebody else in mind?

I'm certainly not the poster that keeps pushing the vax, like you do. As noted before, MANY TIMES, I've been zapped, but, BUT I have absolutely NO problem with those who refuse it, cause I very seriously considered refusing, & if I had not already been stuck, I would probably refuse it.
I'm not the one who routinely "bad-mouths" the ant-vaxers like you do - though very subtly I will admit.
And neither do I label them as "demanding rights that harm others"! From my perspective this is dead in line with the dems - hence my comment of your "employ" by the DNC!

With this I bid you adieu, and may God bestow His favor upon you & yours, and may all y'all avoid the "chino-dem crisis"!!

I don't keep up with the political news, but I was agreeing with President Trumps position about the virus and vaccines and Governor McMaster (I live in SC) about the rights of business owners.

I believe people have the right to refuse a vaccine.

BUT I also believe that people have the right of private ownership and to make decisions regarding their businesses, within the confines of the law.

This means I do not believe that employees are entitled to maintain employment at any company.

That was my issue with @Revmitchell 's posts. He is advocating a socialistic approach to private businesses (he wants to decide how another conducts business).

With capitalism we decided with how we use our resources (how we utilize our property) not how another uses theirs.

My view is the opposite of the DNC goals.

 

[JonC]

@just-want-peace

I wish it was muscles in my back but it's degenerative. Gotten worse since 2014. Getting old I guess.

Also, I have no issue at all with people refusing a vaccine (or any medical treatment).

I do have a problem with people refusing a vaccine or refusing to wear a mask when their employer has set it as a condition of employment only to demand they make the decisions for that employer.

I am a bit old fashioned that way. If somebody wants to work for me it's my way or the highway. Same if I work for somebody else. I don't like wearing masks at work but it is my employer's decision. My choice is to comply or leave.

Full disclosure- I am also not a fan of modern labor unions. They served a purpose at one time but too often they are out of hand.

 

[canadyjd]

I don't know ow about the mayor (don't know where she went)…..

The first post explained it. She went to a WNBA championship game in Chicago. She later posted a photo showing her celebrating the home team victory, in the stands, without a mask, surrounded by people wearing masks.

She has issued a mask mandate in Chicago for such indoor activity and the State of Illinois also has a mask mandate for such activities.

People are being denied entry into facilities, in some cases arrested for refusing to wear masks. They are being accused of being selfish and risking other people’s lives and killing children by such behavior.

I think you have made some of those arguments as well.

So, why no condemnation of the mayor in liberal circles. Why have you not used the same language against her as you have with your brothers and sisters in Christ who chose not to wear a mask, based in the science?

Apparently, the mayor doesn’t think she has to wear a mask because she is part of the elite political class, like B:den, Obama, Pelosi and the rest that are given a free pass for not wearing masks while the common folk are ridiculed as science deniers.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

The first post explained it. She went to a WNBA championship game in Chicago. She later posted a photo showing her celebrating the home team victory, in the stands, without a mask, surrounded by people wearing masks.

She has issued a mask mandate in Chicago for such indoor activity and the State of Illinois also has a mask mandate for such activities.

People are being denied entry into facilities, in some cases arrested for refusing to wear masks. They are being accused of being selfish and risking other people’s lives and killing children by such behavior.

I think you have made some of those arguments as well.

So, why no condemnation of the mayor in liberal circles. Why have you not used the same language against her as you have with your brothers and sisters in Christ who chose not to wear a mask, based in the science?

peace to you

What do you mean "no condemnation"? She is a Democrat. Condemnation is pretty much implied.

The reason I am not talking as much about the DNC socialistic programs is they are obvious.

If the local laws require a mask then she should be subject to the sane penalties as anybody else.

I am more concerned about the socialistic ideologies within conservatives. It is one thing to break the local mask ordinances and another to try to deny owners control of private property (again, within the confines of the law).

@Revmitchell has been advocating stripping away the freedoms our nation was founded upon. We do not have to like how owners run their businesses but they should have the right granted to them to lilook after their interests.

 

[Revmitchell]

Jonc has no idea what capitalism is. He knows what flaming us. Drives to work trying to figure out ways to do it.

 

[JonC]

Jonc has no idea what capitalism is. He knows what flaming us. Drives to work trying to figure out ways to do it.

No. I fear it is you who do not understand capitalism.

Capitalism is a system (economic and politcal) where industries are controlled by private owners for profit.

With capitalism owners can choose to mandate vaccines or test unvaccinated employees as required. The choice is the owners and the cost is a cost of business. The people can choose how to utilize their resources, thus influencing the market.

You are suggesting the owners be prohibited from deciding for themselves. You are trying to shift control of companies from private owners to the employees (or "the people").

This is socialistic (you are advocating that private businesses be regulated by the community as a whole....specifically the employees).

You talk like a conservative at times, but the ideas you are espousing are socialistic.

 

[Revmitchell]

Sigh, private businesses are regulated by the community. It’s called freedom of choice. Freedom not to use businesses that mandate dangerous vaccines. Freedom not to work at places that do the same. Nothing socialistic about that and you now show you neither understand capitalism nor socialism. Just cuz you think up ways to twist this stuff into something it’s not while you drive to work doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to reveal your ignorance.

 

[JonC]

Sigh, private businesses are regulated by the community. It’s called freedom of choice. Freedom not to use businesses that mandate dangerous vaccines. Freedom not to work at places that do the same. Nothing socialistic about that and you now show you neither understand capitalism nor socialism. Just cuz you think up ways to twist this stuff into something it’s not while you drive to work doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to reveal your ignorance.

Your position has been that businesses owners should not be permitted to make decisions regarding conditions of employment (unless you like their choices). You hold socialistic ideologies when it comes to businesses that choose to mandate vaccines. Your posts indicate you want to strip the freedoms of individual business owners to determine how to run their businesses.

You can try to back away from your position, but you are socialistic when it comes to businesses deciding a course of action you do not like.

 

[Revmitchell]

I can do this without end Jon how long do you want to keep it up? You only reveal your ignorance that you contrive on your way to work. You know not about the constitution, capitalism, or socialism. Then you use your ignorance to twist things to fit your agenda. You’ve discredited yourself

 

[JonC]

I can do this without end Jon how long do you want to keep it up? You only reveal your ignorance that you contrive on your way to work. You know not about the constitution, capitalism, or socialism. Then you use your ignorance to twist things to fit your agenda. You’ve discredited yourself

I can keep it up until we reach the limit.

Or we can see where we each stand.

I do not believe people should be forced to take vaccines.

That said, I do believe a business has the right to decide how it will function within the confines of the law.

I will use my employer as an example.

They decided given the risks of covid to its business, given its experience with unvaccinated employees vs vaccinated employees, that it would require employes to be vaccinated by 30 November as a condition of employment.

As a business that is their decision.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yep they can do it. Businesses all over the country have had mass exodus of employees who refuse to be forced to put something in their body they disagree with . Hospitals are short staffed because of it. This mandate is hurting the country. It’s bad enough with bidens policies.

What is evil is a father being kept from his son because of it. If that ever goes to the SC I don’t see it being upheld.

 

[JonC]

Yep they can do it. Businesses all over the country have had mass exodus of employees who refuse to be forced to put something in their body they disagree with . Hospitals are short staffed because of it. This mandate is hurting the country. It’s bad enough with bidens policies.

What is evil is a father being kept from his son because of it. If that ever goes to the SC I don’t see it being upheld.

I don't mind mass exodus.

Our site has 11k people. 95% are already fully vaccinated. A lot are in the process (they have until 30 Nov to be "fully vaccinated", meaning two weeks have passed since final shot). Looks like 79 employees are fighting the mandate.

79 out of 11,000 is not the mass exodus some had thought would occur.

But I believe companies should make their choices. If there are consequences then that is fair. Time will show where people stand.

 

[canadyjd]

I don't mind mass exodus.

Our site has 11k people. 95% are already fully vaccinated. A lot are in the process (they have until 30 Nov to be "fully vaccinated", meaning two weeks have passed since final shot). Looks like 79 employees are fighting the mandate.

79 out of 11,000 is not the mass exodus some had thought would occur.

But I believe companies should make their choices. If there are consequences then that is fair. Time will show where people stand.

And everybody still runs around in a N95 mask all day in a building full of vaccinated people,

What happened to believing they science?

peace to you

 

[JonC]

And everybody still runs around in a N95 mask all day in a building full of vaccinated people,

What happened to believing they science?

peace to you

They had an issue with covid. We had about 16 die (unvaccinated), 4 within the last couple of months. We also had several in the icu (unvaccinated). Over 60 are out for covid (of these most are unvaccinated, we have a few vaccinated with covid but mild symptoms). And about 90 are out due to contact with covid positive people (but only for a few days).

Since people have been getting vaccinated (we give vaccines on site) the cases have been dropping.

They have a percentage where we will not use masks. It is anticipated that we will stop having to wear masks once the unvacvinated are gone as they are the ones more likely to spread covid.

As you perhaps know, data has shown the unvaccinated are more likely to be spreaders. The vaccine provides functional immunity (not sterilizing immunity). While I hate to see people fired, even I'd it is ultimately their choice, I am looking forward to things getting back to normal.