Chick-fil-A

[Magnetic Poles]

Yes it is an attempt to bring censorship. No one can be made not to speak even if threatened with death if they have enough courage unless perhaps their tongue is cut out.. The problem is that any kind of coercive action to limit opinions or speech is censorship. What stops one might not stop another, but the censorship is still there and it happened through that Governor.

This is not difficult. The governor did NOT restrict his speech. Cathey could come out tomorrow and say he hates red headed Irishmen. Nobody would stop him. There would be blowback from red headed Irishmen and their supporters, but he is free to speak his peace.

 

[mandym]

This is not difficult. The governor did NOT restrict his speech. Cathey could come out tomorrow and say he hates red headed Irishmen. Nobody would stop him. There would be blowback from red headed Irishmen and their supporters, but he is free to speak his peace.

You are right this is not difficult. Regardless of his ability to speak freely the government tried to enforce consequences because of his speech. Facing consequences means censorship.

 

[freeatlast]

This is not difficult. The governor did NOT restrict his speech. Cathey could come out tomorrow and say he hates red headed Irishmen. Nobody would stop him. There would be blowback from red headed Irishmen and their supporters, but he is free to speak his peace.

Your not getting it so it must be difficult. No one at any time can restrict anyone's speech IF they have enough courage to go ahead say what they want. The problem is that the governor by his words is saying to him if you say that stuff we do not want you here. That is putting a monetary threat on the owners to keep them silent and that is limiting free speech. The warning of not coming to that city because of what the owner says is censorship by coersion.

 

[Chessic]

You're not arguing free speech with a person that supports abortion are you?

The way the mayors and governors handled this blowup is telling; they immediately threaten to use power they do not have. hmm.

I believe today was supposed to be the counter protest day, with the "kiss-in" and all that. I arrived at a Chik-fil-A in an indoor mall as two women, who, though I don't know for sure, appeared to be a lesbian couple were leaving the area. They looked dejected. I don't know if there were any intrusive protests or just kissing in front of the store. I'm hoping this whole incident helps to drive some in the gay community away from the hate and anger so many of them feel, and back to God.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Another Precinct Heard from

in this case it's the ACLU as quoted in The Chicken Inquisition, Jay Richards and James Robison, The Wall Street Journal, Aug. 3, 2012, page A11:

the government can regulate discrimination in employment or against customers, but wht it cannot do is to punish someone for their words. When an alderman {Mr. Schwartz is speaking of the Chicago case} refuses to allow a business to open because its owner has expressed a viewpoint the government disagrees with, the government is practicing viewpoint discrimination

A "progressive" knows they've stepped in it when the ACLU takes them to task over what they've done or said.

 

[Gina B]

All speech comes with consequences. That's why we're encouraged by scripture to take great care with our words.

When there are legal consequences to free speech and rules governing what one can and cannot say, apart from the obvious of lying, yelling fire when there is none, etc., that's when free speech becomes threatened.

Your choice of words may cost you a job, anger some, cause you to lose friends or be rejected in your social circle at church or private life, and it may also get you promoted at your job, help you gain friends, get you accepted, all that stuff. That's okay.

Now if it gets you fined, imprisoned, or harassed by law enforcement, that's not okay.

Free speech. Great. Having enough self control to not use it ways that makes you a jerk...even greater, though we all fail occasionally.

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

I arrived at a Chik-fil-A in an indoor mall as two women, who, though I don't know for sure, appeared to be a lesbian couple were leaving the area. They looked dejected. I don't know if there were any intrusive protests or just kissing in front of the store. I'm hoping this whole incident helps to drive some in the gay community away from the hate and anger so many of them feel, and back to God.

Did you try to hand them a track or at least pray for them when they walked past? This whole mess of government intervention in this case is unconstitutional obviously. Gay marriage is unbiblical obviously. And we can rant about it all we want, but what are we doing about it as Christians? I'm not accusing you of not doing anything, because you never said that you didn't. Maybe we'll never hold public office or have a grandous position that gives us a the place to have a loud voice, but there are daily opportunities to "make a difference" in this current heated issue. If all Christians took the opportunities that God gave us, then it is highly possible that we could hold a stronger sway in this issue.

 

[Gina B]

Maybe we'll never hold public office or have a grandous position that gives us a the place to have a loud voice...

For those who think this way, I wonder if they ever considered raising their children with political leadership in mind for them, should they show an interest or oblige towards being led that way. Patrick Henry College sounds like such a wonderful place: http://www.phc.edu/about.php

I'm not trying to change the topic, simply pointing out that with enough initiative, we as Christians could likely have a lot more "voice" in how this nation functions.

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

That's a good point. I'm not sure how you get that I would not encourage my children to pursue careers of leadership, as that was not my point at all. It is important to take a stand and have a godly influence in every way we can.

 

[Gina B]

If I made that implication, I apologize. It was not my intention.

I saw an opening in the conversation to point out how there are opportunities for Christians to get into those higher positions, which so many of us think we can't, and went for it. :thumbs: If I hadn't home schooled, I likely would never have known such a place existed.

Those little things we can do are very important, yet I also like to encourage people to dream BIG when it comes to Christians being able to have an impact on our society since it's so easy to get discouraged when we see the majority of political power being wielded by those who don't share our beliefs.

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

If I made that implication, I apologize. It was not my intention.

I saw an opening in the conversation to point out how there are opportunities for Christians to get into those higher positions, which so many of us think we can't, and went for it. :thumbs: If I hadn't home schooled, I likely would never have known such a place existed.

Those little things we can do are very important, yet I also like to encourage people to dream BIG when it comes to Christians being able to have an impact on our society since it's so easy to get discouraged when we see the majority of political power being wielded by those who don't share our beliefs.

Amen, sister:thumbsup:

 

[Berean]

How is this a free speech issue? Cathy had his say. No one censored him.

You missed the point, Dan Cathy is free to exercise his 1st Ammendment rights.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

You missed the point, Dan Cathy is free to exercise his 1st Ammendment (sic) rights.

Well DUH! That's exactly what I said.

 

[Don]

My wife saw this on a Facebook discussion: "If you're not gonna eat at Chick-fil-A because the founder is anti-homosexual, does that mean you're gonna stop buying gas snce the leaders of OPEC are islamists, and islam says homosexuals are to be put to death?"

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Makes sense to me.

My wife saw this on a Facebook discussion: "If you're not gonna eat at Chick-fil-A because the founder is anti-homosexual, does that mean you're gonna stop buying gas since the leaders of OPEC are Islamists, and Islam says homosexuals are to be put to death?"