Children's church, Sunday School and nurseries

[rlvaughn]

By the by, the idea of integrating children into the church’s gathered services, while probably are minority view in the U.S., is not just a weird, random, and rare viewpoint held quirky quacks such as Steve Anderson and I. There is an entire national organization -- with a nice web site, and having members who look more normal than most of us. Their purpose includes restoring "the biblical pattern of age integrated worship, discipleship and evangelism."

The Bible paints a picture in which churches, individuals, and families are integrated, not segregated. This stands in sharp contrast to modern churches that fragment families, as well as to families that neglect or reject the authority of Christ’s churches, which is prevalent today. Therefore, this declaration defines and defends the importance of age-integration as a biblical model of church life to the glory of Christ, the good of His people, and the reform of His blood-bought churches.

Check out their web site (maybe you'll think they are a bunch of quirky quacks, too).
National Center for Family-Integrated Churches

 

[annsni]

This is a fairly new thing in the scheme of things. I have to say how's it working out? Keeping kids in their own classes from 0-18. They never have to connect with the church. Go to a Baptist church with a nice youth program and I can show you a church that will struggle with those kids attending in adulthood.

I don't know any church that keeps kids out of church to 19 years old. In our church we have nursery for the littles if you want to use it, Sunday school from after worship to the end of the service (they basically miss the song before the message and the message) from ages 3-5th grade. Beyond that, there is Sunday school for the kids but they have to attend the opposite service (attend the full 9 am service to go to the Sunday school in the 10:45 service or visa versa). There is also Sunday school for the deaf (they have their own church service at 11 am) and for those with cognitive disabilities (we have a great ministry to the "able disabled" and the county will transport anyone who wants to come - most come from group homes).

All 4 of my kids have either been through youth group or are currently in there. My two older girls continue in ministry in various capacities since they left youth group, my son is very involved in small group ministry in the youth group and he assists in the junior high youth group as a leader and my youngest daughter teaches Pioneer Girls, a special dance program that has a LOT of mentoring and ministry involved and its been said that our small church campus is pretty much run by my family (hubby preaches, I do the computer visuals, oldest teaches Sunday school and is on the greeting team, second daughter is on the worship team, son runs sound and my youngest makes the coffee (most important job) and helps in the nursery when needed. I don't think that Sunday school and youth group is the problem.

 

[annsni]

I like:
1.Invocation
2. 3 song
3. Take up offering
4. Sermon
5. Benediction
6. Go home 50 minutes after 1. Started.

That is our service except add in 4.5 - 3 songs (we respond to what we hear in the Word of God with song - and it is really SO much more meaningful after hearing the message to really get into worship.)

 

[annsni]

What's wrong with Steven Anderson

Steve Anderson is a heretic, a complete mis-user of Scripture and an abuser. That's just to start.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

Steve Anderson is a heretic, a complete mis-user of Scripture and an abuser. That's just to start.

You're wrong. He is very Biblical. You just prefer to hear lies when all he offers in Biblical truth. You go ahead and make statements and rail with not proof.

 

[Salty]

You're wrong. He is very Biblical. You just prefer to hear lies when all he offers in Biblical truth. You go ahead and make statements and rail with not proof.

So you deny the Holocaust?

 

[Jerome]

Steve Anderson is a heretic, a complete mis-user of Scripture and an abuser. That's just to start.

Yes, so troubling that some here are aligning themselves with Steven Anderson, and with the VisionForum/NCFIC patriarchy bunch!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I think you'd change your mind when you find that by EC-B standards you are more than qualified to be one of the men in the preaching rotation.

That would bore me to death.

 

[Revmitchell]

You're wrong. He is very Biblical. You just prefer to hear lies when all he offers in Biblical truth. You go ahead and make statements and rail with not proof.

Are you Steve Anderson

 

[annsni]

You're wrong. He is very Biblical. You just prefer to hear lies when all he offers in Biblical truth. You go ahead and make statements and rail with not proof.

He is SO not Biblical at all. I read and know the Scriptures and he twists the Word of God to fit his own agenda. He is dangerous to the church and to his family and community.

Are you Steve Anderson

I don't think so. If he was, he would have called me a Jezebel again by now.

 

[rlvaughn]

Yes, so troubling that some here are aligning themselves with Steven Anderson, and with the VisionForum/NCFIC patriarchy bunch!

If you think I am aligned with the National Center for Family-Integrated Churches because I linked to their site, you have misinterpreted my post. I don't recall having ever heard of them before yesterday. Just because some people come to the same conclusions on certain issues doesn't suggest alignment. With whom are you aligned?

[And the comment about "a weird, random, and rare viewpoint held quirky quacks such as Steve Anderson and I" was intended to be humor, which must not have been apparent in electronic conversation.]

 

[Reynolds]

This wide discrepancy in general standards of cleanliness, perhaps it's a regional thing?

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I think you'd change your mind when you find that by EC-B standards you are more than qualified to be one of the men in the preaching rotation.

Thanks. I am technically qualied t preach in most Baptist Churches.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Due to factors like the influence of British Plymouth Brethren and the danger of arrest for preachers, EC-B churches keep as deep a bench of preachers as possible. So, the question is not of technical qualification, it's how good is your changeup.

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Thanks. I am technically qualified to preach in most Baptist Churches.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

Are you Steve Anderson

No I'm not Reverend Mitchell. But then again if you are so simplistic to think that if anyone agrees with someone else, they are that person, then I don't think that answer will satisfy you.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

So you deny the Holocaust?

Steven Anderson has never denied the holocaust, just the way people claim it went down. Its ok they keep lowering the number of Jews killed...but don't let me and facts get in the way of your agenda.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

He is SO not Biblical at all. I read and know the Scriptures and he twists the Word of God to fit his own agenda. He is dangerous to the church and to his family and community.




I don't think so. If he was, he would have called me a Jezebel again by now.

That's a lie, show me some examples of what he has done. Bet you can't.

 

[annsni]

That's a lie, show me some examples of what he has done. Bet you can't.

Watch the video about "pisseth against the wall". Show me in the Bible where it says that a real man needs to stand to pee. I bet you can't.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

Watch the video about "pisseth against the wall". Show me in the Bible where it says that a real man needs to stand to pee. I bet you can't.

Haha that's what you got? You talk trash and you come up with this? You think it's biblical to sit and pee? Hahahahahahah

 

[annsni]

Haha that's what you got? You talk trash and you come up with this? You think it's biblical to sit and pee? Hahahahahahah

So you can't find the verse, huh?

 

[Salty]

I went to a IFB (BBF) KJO church conference about a year ago.
They were joking about verses -such as Numbers 22:32 - and they said that since it is in the KJV -
it is okay to used that kind of language.