China arrests 100 young Christians

Okay, assuming they are not, and simply having a casual atmosphere of discussing the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

Granted. But as I said, I wasn't discussing the issue of "chances". I was simply asking if you would think it was a violation of human rights. Do you think it would be a violation of human rights if China did this?

Okay, let me be very specific:

If Germany banned Christians from wearing necklaces with cross pendants, do you think that would be a violation of human rights?

If Germany banned Jewish men from wearing yamulkas, would you consider that to be a violation of human rights?

I never said otherwise. I agree with you completely. That's not at issue here.

 

Then what is the issue?

You are asking a hypothetical question about Muslims in China when it doesn't apply because Islam is a government sanctioned religion.

To compare a government sanctioned religion with one that is not is to compare apples and oranges.

 

LE, I have no underling motive. I'm simply curious if you and I agree that opression of free religious expression is a violation of human rights. Really. I have no hidden agenda or anything. My questions are genuine. I'm in fact really surprised that you don't want to answer them.

BTW, I did find out that if an unregistered group of Muslim youths were to disagree with the registered religion, and get together to discuss it, such a meeting would violate Chinese law, and they would be arrested, since they're not a registered group. Unlikely? Maybe today, but not so unlikely in the future. Anyway, as I aid earlier, the likelihood factor is a side issue that we don't really disagree on.

 

Forget it, Johnv. I've tried to get LE to answer questions on a different subject before and she dodges and weaves like Muhammed Ali.

 

That was a low blow, LOL. Pun intended.

 

I would answer yes to your questions, Johnv. But I would also allow someone the argument that the goal of Islam is equally opressive as the Chinese government which tends to blur your comparision.

 

Thank you, One View, for articulating the point I was trying to make.

And, Johnv, I think we can all agree that any prisoners, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Scientologist, or whatever, being executed for harvesting of organs - is against all human rights of any degree.

 

Why this sudden urge to defend Islam? You cannot use a hypothetical to validate or invalidate facts. Johnv, you are simply throwing up a smoke screen.

Islam, while it has different branches, does not have "separate groups". So your hypothetical doesn't even hold water.

 

I would agree. Though, you never asked me my opinion.

The questions are not hypothetical. They're completely within the realm of possibility.
Since when is wanting equal rights for all persons regardless of religion or creed a "defense of Islam". I would hope the same defense of rights for Buddhists, Mormons, and Jews. Will I then be accused of defensing these false religions as well?

Why is it so hard to answer the questions? They're simple "yes" or "no". I'll ask again.

If China broke up 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights? LE has refused to answer this question.

Is Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights? This question is by no means hypothetical. LE has refused to answer this question, except that she said she didn't known enough about Scientology.

 

I have answered you, Johnv. But you are off topic - the topic is Christians being arrested in China.