Gold Dragon
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Similar result from China too. The prevailing thought is more smoking and cardiovascular disease. Heart attack is often the final nail.
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China is faking its recovery from the coronavirus outbreak: report
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Similar result from China too. The prevailing thought is more smoking and cardiovascular disease. Heart attack is often the final nail.
makes sense.
Gold Dragon
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What do you base that opinion on? Hope? One of your news sources or websites you read? What do they base their opinion on? What experience do you or your sources of information have with making predictions about the course of global viral pandemics?
In the meantime, listen to Trump’s current plan created by some of the best in the field at dealing with and managing pandemics.
I believe they are getting consent with a similar mindset as "Right to Try" which they are calling "Compassionate something?" I can't remember, but I'm not opposed to to letting those with little hope to try this on a large scale in this emergency.
I certainly believe there always needs to be a degree of caution with drugs and believe that evidence is far too often overlooked in our pill-popping society which is encouraged by the pharmaceutical companies. I just think in this case we might need to lower the bar quickly if positive results are coming in.
Another reason there are not more breakthroughs is the mountain of bureaucracy and the allowance and encouragement of lawsuits (as we've seen how they allowed tv commercials advertising law suits against doctors and pharmaceutical companies) but the "Right to Try" is a first good step to bring to light some of the possibilities that are out there and ready to pop their head out of the rabbit hole. That said, I do believe we need a high level of protection especially from rampid escalation of drugs that would tempt our pill-popping society without a lot of research on the side effects.
In this case some gamble may be worth the risk.
Gold Dragon
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Of course frontline doctors should be trying things when we have no treatment options. They have been.
I’m just trying to say there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. The wrong way is to rush into something based on very little evidence and start giving out false promises of hope. Or to base policy that would affect tens of thousands based on poor or no evidence or because the president has a gut feeling about it.
It is understandable that patients and family of dying loved ones just want something to cling to for hope. But doctors have an obligation to do that in an ethically justifiable way.
This virus is a global problem and any issues in the US are not hindering doctors in other places. And I have read reports of ICU doctors in the US using the drugs we have been talking about already.
One of the current problems I’ve read is that the maker of Remdesivir have a criteria for compassionate use that few patients are qualifying for (probably because they applied to Ebola but not covid19). Hopefully that will be corrected if it hasn’t already.
I’m just trying to say there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. The wrong way is to rush into something based on very little evidence and start giving out false promises of hope. Or to base policy that would affect tens of thousands based on poor or no evidence or because the president has a gut feeling about it.
It is understandable that patients and family of dying loved ones just want something to cling to for hope. But doctors have an obligation to do that in an ethically justifiable way.
This virus is a global problem and any issues in the US are not hindering doctors in other places. And I have read reports of ICU doctors in the US using the drugs we have been talking about already.
One of the current problems I’ve read is that the maker of Remdesivir have a criteria for compassionate use that few patients are qualifying for (probably because they applied to Ebola but not covid19). Hopefully that will be corrected if it hasn’t already.
Ive been in intel/info since the 60's starting at Griffiss AFB on the BMEWS - Ballistic Missile Early Warning System which ran from upstate NY to Thule Greenland. Later i worked as a civilian contractor at the NUSC Navy Base (Naval Underwater System Center) I've spent most of my life data gathering for intel processing on huge mainframe systems. I'm in my AF uniform in my BB photo.
Gold Dragon
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That is great to hear. So what intel did you gather to come up with your 4 week timeline?
As someone who works in data gathering, I'm sure you are are aware of the concept of quality of evidence and sources. Of the primacy of primary source material over secondary and tertiary sources of data.
In terms of the US, Trump has given a timeline that is longer than yours and sounds like it was based on the advice of his expert covid19 task force members, namely Dr Fauci and Dr Birx who have consistently given sound medical and public health advice to the american public through this ordeal from what I have seen. Considering all the uncertainties at play, I would say anyone who can put a hard short timeline on this infection has not done a proper analysis.
Trump says July or August
Fauci clarifies July date
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i dont claim to be a prophet.
over the years i have garnered many sources of which i generally protect in terms of identity.
Gold Dragon
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You made a prediction on this forum about the course of the coronavirus infection in the US that is not consistent with any of the people who actually study and plan for pandemics for a living.
Did you use any of your secret sources to make this prediction or did you come up with it yourself?
If you used one of your sources who seem to know more than the US federal government coronavirus task force and the global medical community and the global epidemiological community, maybe they should be in contact with the federal government to assist in the fight against coronavirus instead of hoarding that information to themselves. It would help save lives and the global economy if they did so. That is the recommendation I would make if I had a source that had actual useful information to share.
Of course there are many people who just make predictions based on their gut instincts or politics with little to no evidence. That is not useful information to share.
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THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.
it would be GREAT (as Tony the Tiger says)
