Choice 'A' or Choice 'A', Which will it be?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

jbh28 my brother.....when do you get tired of this "Same old, same old" crud discussion....really!

 

[Aaron]

I mentioned that I chose "life" when I finally came to Christ and was born of the Spirit.

. . .

Its not my *notion*, Aaron. It is what happened. I chose Christ. I had other options. I could have said "no!", and rejected Him. I could have gone back the the Catholic cult, I could have chosen the "new age" gobbledegoop that lots of people where turning to.

"I . . . I . . . I . . . I . . ." Puh-leeze. One might as well insist he chose his own parents.

Lots of people come as close as I was at that moment, and they turned away.

Well, aren't you glad you are better than they are? That you loved God more?

I feel very very sorry for you.

Why do you choose to feel sorry for me?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"I . . . I . . . I . . . I . . ." Puh-leeze. One might as well insist he chose his own parents.

I was just wondering meself....Do babies decide to be born?

does water decide to be wet? does fire decide to burn? do flowers decide to bloom? do birds decide to fly?

 

[Alive in Christ]

EWF...

You just avoided the whole systematic theology thing....threw 2000 years of beliefs by some very educated men & women in the garbage & wiped your hands clean.

No I didnt. Not everthing in calvinism is corrupt. And calvinism is not the only group that has systematic theology.

But what I am doing is commenting on some of the VERY false teachings that exist in Calvinism.

I though beg to differ.

Here is how I see it... you aren't changing me & Im not changing you.

Thats not neccesarilly so. We are all works in progress.

So there you have it. This is the same BS that your SBC churches have been dealing with, I guess in dixie especially for a long time.

What does a certain part of the U.S. have to do with anything?

And truly, I couldnt care less. So fight it out amongst yourselves......me & mine go to our Calvinistic churches up here or down there & you arent changing that.... thats called "Individual Soul Liberty". Hallmark of us Baptists you know.

Yes, and Praise the Lord for that! Its Gods way. He certainly doesnt have any monolithic teaching authority dictating to people how they must believe. God help us if that ever happens. We would be in the same God forsaken mess that the Catholic false church is in.





Aic

 

[Winman]

Same stupid round robin argument, different day:BangHead:

No, my argument is very simple, a small child could easily understand. It is Calvinism that says man is free to make a choice but cannot choose for God because he is a slave.

Calvinism says God decrees all events that happen, yet God does not cause evil events.

Up is down, black is white, day is night, it is all the same in this view. Trying to debate with you guys is like being in Wonderland.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I would beg to differ with you as nothing is corrupt in Calvinism however your teachings are humanistic and so dont support Gods Complete Sovereignty. This results in a theology that is not exclusively God centered but is distorted in the direction of self. Not I or my family could ever follow a system of theology like that.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Aaron...


I said...

Lots of people come as close as I was at that moment, and they turned away.

You responded...

Well, aren't you glad you are better than they are? That you loved God more?

Better than they are? Have you lost your mind? We are all sinners, Aaron. We are all wretches. Every last one of us. Nobody is "better" than anyone else.

This is very basic, Aaron. We are all sinners.

Me...

I feel very very sorry for you.

You...

Why do you choose to feel sorry for me?

Because you seem so confused.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No, my argument is very simple, a small child could easily understand. It is Calvinism that says man is free to make a choice but cannot choose for God because he is a slave.

Calvinism says God decrees all events that happen, yet God does not cause evil events.

Up is down, black is white, day is night, it is all the same in this view. Trying to debate with you guys is like being in Wonderland.

Oh you puny mortal.....tell me, what answers did God give Job?

 

[jbh28]

jbh28 my brother.....when do you get tired of this "Same old, same old" crud discussion....really!

The PlayStation Network is down! What else am I suppose to do :laugh:

 

[jbh28]

No he's not, because all he can WANT in your view is sin. He is not free whatsoever, he is a slave. He cannot make a choice because he has no ability to do so.

He makes a choice to do what he wants to do. He's a slave to his sinful will. He is free to make choices. We all make choices according to our will.

You are oblivious that this is an illogical contradiction.

Well, thanks for the Christlike attitude. No reason for me to keep repeating it because you have chosen not to want to learn. Just don't play with matches. Straw men can burn really easy.

 

[Aaron]

Better than they are? Have you lost your mind? We are all sinners, Aaron. We are all wretches. Every last one of us. Nobody is "better" than anyone else.

You had to be if you chose Christ and the others didn't. You were either smarter, braver or loved God more than they did. There is no other reason you can cite that would explain the difference in your choices.

This is very basic, Aaron. We are all sinners.

Apparently you're not as bad as some.

 

[Winman]

He makes a choice to do what he wants to do. He's a slave to his sinful will. He is free to make choices. We all make choices according to our will.

Well, thanks for the Christlike attitude. No reason for me to keep repeating it because you have chosen not to want to learn. Just don't play with matches. Straw men can burn really easy.

The Philipian jailer wanted to be saved, yet he was not saved because Paul told him he must believe on Jesus to be saved.

So here you have a sincere man who wanted to be saved before he even had knowledge that he must believe. And even you believe regeneration and faith happen at the same time, so here is a man who desired to be saved before he was regenerated.

Do you disagree?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

He makes a choice to do what he wants to do. He's a slave to his sinful will. He is free to make choices. We all make choices according to our will.

Well, thanks for the Christlike attitude. No reason for me to keep repeating it because you have chosen not to want to learn. Just don't play with matches. Straw men can burn really easy.

Now your getting it Brother.....Finally claiming off the merry go round! go watch a ball game. Better than spinning your wheels. Done with it myself.

 

[Winman]

He makes a choice to do what he wants to do. He's a slave to his sinful will. He is free to make choices. We all make choices according to our will.

Well, thanks for the Christlike attitude. No reason for me to keep repeating it because you have chosen not to want to learn. Just don't play with matches. Straw men can burn really easy.

The Philipian jailer wanted to be saved before he was told he must believe in Jesus.

How could this man be regenerated when he did not have knowledge of what he must do to be saved? He couldn't believe, he did not know to believe. It was only after Paul informed him that he must believe on Jesus and then preached the gospel to him and his family that he believed.

Unlike other Cals, you say regeneration and faith occur at the same moment, but this man had desire to be saved before he even knew faith was necessary. Therefore, he had desire before he was regenerated.

Explain that.

 

[Dr. Bob]

So here you have a sincere man who wanted to be saved before he even had knowledge that he must believe. And even you believe regeneration and faith happen at the same time, so here is a man who desired to be saved before he was regenerated.

Do you disagree?

Of course, this man wanted to be delivered (Greek word) from the punishment/death he would face for a prisoner escaping - that was Roman law. Paul twisted his self-preservation words (What can I do to be delivered) and made it into a spiritual/gospel invitation to trust Christ.

Don't you do that, too? Someone will mention and event or headline and we use it as an inroad to the Gospel?

ALL men everywhere are commanded to repent and believwe the Gospel. When we don't we heap even more condemnation on our souls.

Are repenting and believing "good" or "righteous" things that man should do (in the sight of God)? YES.

But can man do ANY "good" or "righteous" (in the sight of God)? NO.

So there must be an invisible, internal change that takes place. The jailor did repent and believe - indication that he possessed a new nature capable of repenting and believing.