Chosen to Eternal Life? [Acts 13:48]

[psalms109:31]

God does want all men to be saved without changing the text to mean what men what it to say. If the Holy Spirit meant to say something else He would of said it, so He means all men. Paul has no reason to lie that is why we pray for them and live peace with them.

Will they all be save, no they must come to the knowledge of the truth Jesus Christ.

The only ones who come are not the one's who listen, that is foolishness it is those who not only hear, but listen and learn.

We cannot see Jesus high and lifted up without listening and learning from Him. So the words of Jesus will draw all men to Himself those who listen and learn. The Holy Spirit said what He said to His audience and He doesn't need men to stand in His way. They can come up with excuses not to come Jesus on their own without any of our help.

 

[OldRegular]

Yea right. We are back to date rape again when no does not mean no.

fal, sometimes you show your behind in public!

 

[freeatlast]

fal, sometimes you show your behind in public!

If that is what it takes to wake up those who are asleep, yes. Me thinks you just do not like the truth. :wavey: None the less show me irrefutable proof that the word all does not mean all in Timothy. Does God always get His will?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

 

[OldRegular]

If that is what it takes to wake up those who are asleep, yes. Me thinks you just do not like the truth. :wavey: None the less show me irrefutable proof that the word all does not mean all in Timothy. Does God always get His will?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

Let me put it this way fal. If God wanted "all" saved then He would save "all" But since you are dabbling in "open theism" perhaps your god is too small.

 

[freeatlast]

Let me put it this way fal. If God wanted "all" saved then He would save "all" But since you are dabbling in "open theism" perhaps your god is too small.

The size of my God is based on His own description of Himself. Yours seems to be made in your own image.

How about dealing with this verse?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

 

[AresMan]

The size of my God is based on His own description of Himself. Yours seems to be made in your own image.

How about dealing with this verse?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

There are at least two Greek words usually translated will or desire in the New Testament: boule and thelo.

boule has to do with counsel, decree, or command.
thelo has to do with desire or wish (not something effective).

The word in this verse is thelema. God's moral "desire" is that people abstain from fornication, and He will judge those who do.

There are different degrees/types of God's will clearly in Scripture. I don't see what your point is.

Can anyone argue that God's command against murder expresses His "will" or "desire" that it not be done? Yet, of Christ, He is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." "Yet it pleased to Lord to bruise Him." He "being delivered up by the determinate council and foreknowledge of God."

 

[freeatlast]

There are at least two Greek words usually translated will or desire in the New Testament: boule and thelo.

boule has to do with counsel, decree, or command.
thelo has to do with desire or wish (not something effective).

The word in this verse is thelema. God's moral "desire" is that people abstain from fornication, and He will judge those who do.

There are different degrees/types of God's will clearly in Scripture. I don't see what your point is.

Can anyone argue that God's command against murder expresses His "will" or "desire" that it not be done? Yet, of Christ, He is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." "Yet it pleased to Lord to bruise Him." He "being delivered up by the determinate council and foreknowledge of God."

The point is that God does not always get His will. Oldregular is trying to suggest that God always gets His will.

 

[OldRegular]

The size of my God is based on His own description of Himself. Yours seems to be made in your own image.

How about dealing with this verse?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

I never question Scripture, fal. I will not engage in "open theism"!

 

[freeatlast]

I never question Scripture, fal. I will not engage in "open theism"!

No you just change it to fit your own personal beliefs and just ignore scripture.

 

[OldRegular]

No you just change it to fit your own personal beliefs and just ignore scripture.

Have you seen me post anything questioning the character and nature of God declared in Scripture. Be more honest than you are in the above post.

 

[freeatlast]

Have you seen me post anything questioning the character and nature of God declared in Scripture. Be more honest than you are in the above post.

I have seen you on many occasions deny that scripture means what it says. You will have to decide if that is questioning the character and nature of God.
Also if you hold that God predestines everything then I would say that yes that would be questioning His character.
Now I suppose it is possible to miss-understand what you are trying to say, but you seem to say that God predestines everything and nothing can happen against His will even though scripture clearly shows He does not always get His will.
How about dealing with this verse?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

 

[Yeshua1]

I have seen you on many occasions deny that scripture means what it says. You will have to decide if that is questioning the character and nature of God.
Also if you hold that God predestines everything then I would say that yes that would be questioning His character.
Now I suppose it is possible to miss-understand what you are trying to say, but you seem to say that God predestines everything and nothing can happen against His will even though scripture clearly shows He does not always get His will.
How about dealing with this verse?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

yes, but also think that the Lord had already known that the person would, and reacted with proper chaistesment accordingly!

NEVER time when God has to react on the fly, as he caught by surprise by what we do or say!

 

[OldRegular]

I have seen you on many occasions deny that scripture means what it says. You will have to decide if that is questioning the character and nature of God.
Also if you hold that God predestines everything then I would say that yes that would be questioning His character.
Now I suppose it is possible to miss-understand what you are trying to say, but you seem to say that God predestines everything and nothing can happen against His will even though scripture clearly shows He does not always get His will.
How about dealing with this verse?
1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Do you believe that any believer has ever violated God's stated will in this passage?

I never question or lie about Scripture, the Word of God! Try it sometime you might like it!

I said else where that you are ignorant of the Doctrines of Grace. You continue to prove I am correct!

 

[freeatlast]

yes, but also think that the Lord had already known that the person would, and reacted with proper chaistesment accordingly!

NEVER time when God has to react on the fly, as he caught by surprise by what we do or say!

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[freeatlast]

I never question or lie about Scripture, the Word of God! Try it sometime you might like it!

I said else where that you are ignorant of the Doctrines of Grace. You continue to prove I am correct!

You continue to prove that you change or ignore scripture to fit your false doctrine. God sovereignly elects and freely chooses. Election and free will working to save the elect.

 

[Yeshua1]

You continue to prove that you change or ignore scripture to fit your false doctrine. God sovereignly elects and freely chooses. Election and free will working to save the elect.

God first elects the sinner in christ, He enables that sinner to receive Christ, and the sinner WILL freely decides to receive Christ!

God first has to change the sinners will and mindset, than they can freely decide to become saved!

 

[freeatlast]

God first elects the sinner in christ, He enables that sinner to receive Christ, and the sinner WILL freely decides to receive Christ!

God first has to change the sinners will and mindset, than they can freely decide to become saved!

That is what you believe but not what I believe. I believe in total election and total free will.

 

[Yeshua1]

That is what you believe but not what I believe. I believe in total election and total free will.

ONLY God has "total free will!"

 

[The Archangel]

Still waiting for an answer to this question I posed to MB.

Act 13:48 ακουονταG191 V-PAP-NPN δεG1161 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN εθνηG1484 N-NPN εχαιρονG5463 V-IAI-3P καιG2532 CONJ εδοξαζονG1392 V-IAI-3P τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ επιστευσανG4100 V-AAI-3P οσοιG3745 K-NPM ησανG1510 V-IAI-3P τεταγμενοιG5021 V-RPP-NPM ειςG1519 PREP ζωηνG2222 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF

Schrivener's Greek New Testiment.
G4100 which is translated as faith G5021 is translated as appointed
MB

So what exactly are you arguing?

Are you saying that "faith" comes before "appointed" in the word order and that's why faith precedes appointment?

The Archangel

To be fair, MB may have missed my reply or MB may be busy. I understand both those things very well.

Do you have any plans to answer?

The Archangel

 

[The Archangel]

No you just change it to fit your own personal beliefs and just ignore scripture.

I didn't see any interaction by you on the OP--Acts 13:48. Certainly, I may have missed it. What's your take on this?

The Archangel