Christ bore our sins

[JonC]

A few months ago the question has come up about Christ bearing our sins, God laying our iniquity on Him.

I asked why some read God laying our wrath on Jesus, Jesus bearing our sins, as God taking our sins away from us and putting them on Jesus.

Part of my question regarded the nature of sins (treating sins as things). Another part concerned the fact that just taking away our sins would not make us less guilty.


It was explained to me that the language of Scripture - God laying another's something on somebody else - somebody bearing something that is ours - means that that simething had to be removed from the original possessor.

This does not seem logical. But it beings up questions.

God laid our sins on Christ.
God laid Christ's righteousness on us.
Christ bore our sins.
We now bear Christ's righteousness.

I am told the language means that God took our sis from us and put thrm on Christ.
Would this not also mean that God took Jesus' righteousness away from Him?

If Jesus bearing our sins means our sins were removed from us
Then would not us now bearing His righteousness mean it was removed from Him?

 

[JonC]

Oh....need to add....only honest discussions please. No trolls.

It is a serious question.

If Christ bearing our sins means God took them from us and put them on Jesus then why wouldn't us bearing Jesus' righteousness not also mean God took His righteousness ftom Him and put it on us?

 

[Ascetic X]

Oh....need to add....only honest discussions please. No trolls.

It is a serious question.

If Christ bearing our sins means God took them from us and put them on Jesus then why wouldn't us bearing Jesus' righteousness not also mean God took His righteousness ftom Him and put it on us?

God did not take Jesus’ righteousness away from Him and give it to us. God did not take away His own righteousness and give it to Abraham. Righteousness of a person (Jesus) can be imputed to another person (eg, yourself), through identification, without removing it from the other person (Jesus).

Also, Jesus bore our sicknesses (Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs (infirmities, sicknesses) and carried our sorrows (pains): yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted ), but that does not mean His health was removed from Him and then put upon us, except you could say Jesus was plagued or cursed temporarily in the atonement on the cross. But in His resurrected body, Jesus has perfect health and when healing occurs in Jesus’ name, coming down from heaven to us, by His stripes ye are healed — His own health is not diminished.

 

[JonC]

God did not take Jesus’ righteousness away from Him and give it to us. God did not take away His own righteousness and give it to Abraham. Righteousness of a person (Jesus) can be imputed to another person (eg, yourself), through identification, without removing it from the other person (Jesus).

Also, Jesus bore our sicknesses (Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs (infirmities, sicknesses) and carried our sorrows (pains): yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted ), but that does not mean His health was removed from Him and then put upon us, except you could say Jesus was plagued or cursed temporarily in the atonement on the cross. But in His resurrected body, Jesus has perfect health and when healing occurs in Jesus’ name, coming down from heaven to us, by His stripes ye are healed — His own health is not diminished.

I agree. And thank you for bringing up Jesus sharing our sickness. I had missed that but it also illustrates what I believe.