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Christ made Sin?

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JonC

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That is a bit pathetic. Why is Christ represented by a brazen serpent, the very emblem or epitome of sin and rebellion against God (Revelation 12:3)?
It was a pretty obscure passage in Numbers. God had sent snakes to punish Israel but had Moses make a bronze serpent and any who were not that looked upon the serpent would live.

It is sad you find this so pathetic. Jesus applies this to Himself (I just quoted the verse) saying as Moses lifted up the serpent so also will He be lifted up that all who believe will live.
 

Martin Marprelate

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It was a pretty obscure passage in Numbers. God had sent snakes to punish Israel but had Moses make a bronze serpent and any who were not that looked upon the serpent would live.

It is sad you find this so pathetic. Jesus applies this to Himself (I just quoted the verse) saying as Moses lifted up the serpent so also will He be lifted up that all who believe will live.
It is not the text that is pathetic, but your attempt to avoid its rather obvious meaning. Nor is it obscure since the Lord Jesus saw fit to quote it for Nicodemus' benefit and ours. The brazen or fiery serpent is a picture of Christ made sin for us. Everyone who looks to the brazen serpent--that is, who sees Christ made sin for us-- will not perish but have eternal life.
 

JonC

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It is not the text that is pathetic, but your attempt to avoid its rather obvious meaning. Nor is it obscure since the Lord Jesus saw fit to quote it for Nicodemus' benefit and ours. The brazen or fiery serpent is a picture of Christ made sin for us. Everyone who looks to the brazen serpent--that is, who sees Christ made sin for us-- will not perish but have eternal life.
Except when you called my post stating the brazen serpent being lifted up referred to salvation pathetic you also claimed the passage was speaking of Satan and referenced Revelation.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Except when you called my post stating the brazen serpent being lifted up referred to salvation pathetic you also claimed the passage was speaking of Satan and referenced Revelation.
Indeed I did. I think I am allowed to refer to the same thing in two different ways. Perhaps you don't think that Satan is sinful, or that there is a fiery serpent referenced in Revelation 13:3 (cf. v.9)?
 

JonC

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Indeed I did. I think I am allowed to refer to the same thing in two different ways. Perhaps you don't think that Satan is sinful, or that there is a fiery serpent referenced in Revelation 13:3 (cf. v.9)?
My comment was about the brazen serpent being lifted up representing Christ being lifted up that all who believe will live. The reference provided was John 3. I do not think you are being honest here.

If you believe the "brazen serpent" being lifted up represented the firey serpent referenced in Revelation 13:3 then you are saying that God, in Numbers told Israel to look upon Satan and live. Is that what you believe???

To clarify, here is my post and your response:

John 3:9-15 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."

I believe that the brazen serpent pointed to Christ in that the Son of Man be lifted up so that whoever believes will have eternal life.
That is a bit pathetic. Why is Christ represented by a brazen serpent, the very emblem or epitome of sin and rebellion against God (Revelation 12:3)?
 
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