Christ The Calvinist

[Joseph_Botwinick]

God accomplishes whatever he wishes to accomplish through his ministry. It is in no way in vain. They cannot come unless God changes their heart. That is a fact. But no, it is not vanity...for the will of God is never in vain and he always accomplishes his will. The Holy Spirit creates faith in the lost and regenerates them. Faith is in no way void. It is only the Arminian who discounts total depravity and believes that there is something good in the hearts of every man that would cause them to come to Christ on their own free-will without the regenerating power of God changing their heart. That is why Arminians do not understand a single word of the old hymn, "Amazing Grace".

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

It is not your word and you can't save no one. It all belongs to God. But what you do as a minister (minister unto others) is your ministry, for if you do a bad job God wants no part of it. In other words we can't blame God for a bad ministry. I have heard it said "God give it to me and I must give it to you" well some of it I say "don't blame God for that".

You are a teacher. Well my wife retired from thirty years of teaching and her being a teacher did not belong to the school she spent 5 years in college to earn that.

Don't tell me about Amazing Grace for I been singing probably before you were born. You all just miss the part "through faith".

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
It is not your word and you can't save no one. It all belongs to God. But what you do as a minister (minister unto others) is your ministry, for if you do a bad job God wants no part of it. In other words we can't blame God for a bad ministry.

I have heard it said "God give it to me and I must give it to you" well some of it I say "don't blame God for that".

You are a teacher. Well my wife retired from thirty years of teaching and her being a teacher did not belong to the school she spent 5 years in college to earn that.

I don't blame God for "ministries" which go bad. As a matter of fact, I would argue that many of these ministries were not of God and were so man centered, and belonged to some man, that it couldn't help but fail and become corrupt.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

So you do accept some of the ministries?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Such as?

There are some ministries which are not of God and are run by carnal false teachers. I do not accept them. If you would like to see some good examples of that sometime, turn on The Blasphemy Network and get a load of folks like Benny Hinn and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland. I do not accept those ministries.

Do you?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

No, I don't accept those ministries at all and won't even listen to them. Don't get me wrong, I think all good things come down from God but He placed a heavy load upon my shoulders and that it to "go and I will go with you, open your mouth wide and I will fill it". If you minister to people of which I am sure you do then you have a ministry, let just hope that God santifies it.
In all honesty, I can't see God sending the Holy Ghost out to save a person and sending you or I to try and get him to repent.
Not God's will that any would perish but you say it is, I just don't understand, sorry.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

It is God's ministry that he uses me, by his sovereign will, to fullfill. If it ever becomes my ministry, I have no doubt that it will fail miserably and go the way of Jim and Tammy Faye.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

Anyway Joseph;
I respect your position and have many many friends around me that believe just as you do and consider them my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I just do not agree with that part of their doctrine. All the rest of their doctrine we are very close and I love them all. May God Bless

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

May God Bless You Too, Brother Bob.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Timtoolman]

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...group hug!

 

[Rippon]

A Golden Oldie Thread !

I think it is a good idea to refresh ourselves with the Boice and Nicole sermon selections found in the first couple pages of this thread . Good stuff !

 

[Jarthur001]

I think it is a good idea to refresh ourselves with the Boice and Nicole sermon selections found in the first couple pages of this thread . Good stuff !

Boice was de man as a writer of the truth.

 

[Rippon]

J.M.B. was primarily a preacher of the truths of the Word . As in the case Dr. D.M. Lloyd-Jones , Boice followed in the footsteps of many Calvinistic preachers of the past .

 

[TCGreek]

J.M.B. was primarily a preacher of the truths of the Word . As in the case Dr. D.M. Lloyd-Jones , Boice followed in the footsteps of many Calvinistic preachers of the past .

I love to hear the names of both J.M.B and D.M. Lloyd-Jones, for in their approach to Scripture, is what I would love to emulate one day.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Calling Christ an:Calvinist" is clearly unbiblical in light of ! cor 1. I would be more cautious in repeating what others say. and it is sad when a preacher cannot dig into the word and hear from God but has to dig up sermons from other men.

 

[Rippon]

Mr. 2T.: You clearly did not bother reading the extracts from Boice's sermon . That's a problem here . People state an opinion , usually to refute , without taking the time to actually read what someone has really said .

 

[JustChristian]

Continuing Nicole's choice thoughts...

This , I think ,is the drastic error which our Pelagian friends are making . They speak as if man had a right to come into the presence of God and enter into account with him , as if God had some obligation to deal with all people alike . The one thing God owes us is judgment . The thing that ought to cause us to marvel is the fact that instead of confining us all to judgment and damnation , God has been pleased in his mercy to make plans to save a great multitude . He has caused these to hear the gospel , receive forgiveness in Jesus Christ , be drawn in faith and repentance by the Holy Spirit so that they respond to the offer of the gospel , and be preserved to the end so that they will spend eternity in the blessed presence and fellowship of God . This is the thing that is marvellous . The fact that this has not been done for the whole of the human race does not provide us with the proper ground for recrimination .


So every one of the great points of Calvinism finds direct support in the words of Jesus . Some of them find no better support anywhere else in Scripture . Did Jesus teach Calvinism ? Was Jesus a Calvinist ? Would the Author of all grace teach us concerning the doctrines of grace ? Why , certainly ! And it is our comfort and our refuge .

In short, no Jesus was not a Calvinist. He is the Lord God. He does not follow the shallow theologies of man. Besides, you didn't quote scripture such as this one:

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Gasp. This says that our justification involves something that we do! I don't believe that fits within Calvinism at all, do you?

 

[Brother Bob]

I didn't know Jesus was a follower of Calvin?

 

[Jarthur001]

I didn't know Jesus was a follower of Calvin?

A follower of Calvin would be a cult.

A Calvinist on the other hand, is in line with the truth of Gods Word.

 

[Brother Bob]

Let me reword it then, I didn't know that Jesus was a follower of Calvinism? The OP suggests that Jesus was indeed a follower of Calvinism, which I find to be heresy.