Christ The Calvinist

[webdog]

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You took a straightforward response to a comment by webdog and wandered around it for a day or so, contributing absolutely nothing.

He actually did a nice job of putting it in context. Should give it a try now and then

 

[OldRegular]

He actually did a nice job of putting it in context. Should give it a try now and then

You still rejected the teaching of that passage is spite of his "nice job of putting it in context."

 

[OldRegular]

I've gotten to the point that I won't argue these points anymore. Would I personally call Christ a Calvinist? No, emphatically no! But I would call Calvin a follower of Christ. And I do find all five points termed Calvinism not only in the Gospel, but as CHS believed, I believe that they are the Gospel. For those who reject the Doctrines of Grace even hate the Doctrines of Grace, for those who reject a Christ who is defined by these doctrines that declare his sovereignty, I can only think of the verse.......

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

We will allow Christ the servant, Christ the healer, Christ the giver of good gifts, Christ the merciful, or even Christ benevolent ruler. But we will not have him as Christ the Sovereign of all things whatsoever comes to pass. Especially,especially, when it comes to our own salvation. Funny how we will ask, pray, petition, even demand him to be sovereign over the salvation of our wives, kids, families, friends, even those we witness to..... just not our own... that is our responsibility.

I am tired of the argument and will not entertain open discussion of the heresy of free will. Why will man demand free will for himself.... and deny the Sovereign of the Universe the right to do as he will among the armies of heaven and the inhabitants of the earth. Here is my definition of free will in man....... Open rebellion against God.

God declares his sovereignty throughout scripture.

Ex 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

Isa 46:11 I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Ps 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Yet man has determined that in his sovereignty God has chosen to relinquish his sovereignty to give man a chance to prove himself worthy of his free gift of grace. Doesn't that sort of negate the idea of free and the definition of grace.

I know, I know, I have heard it all! I don't exegete, and hermenute properly. Fact is, I cant even spell exegete and hermenute properly. And I don't take into account the proper context. I don't understand Greek or Hebrew. I don't have access to the original manuscripts. Matter of fact I was not even there when God spoke. So I can't be taken too seriously, and must be taken with a grain of salt if taken at all.

At any rate feel free to ridicule, berate, discount and vilify any and everything I have declared. Read of a man who once said that since they hated him, they would hate me.

You exegete and hermenute very good even if you can't spell hermenute!:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[RAdam]

The context of John 10:26 is this. Jesus is preaching the gospel. There is a division among the Jews. Some said, "he hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?" Others said, "These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?" Ok, some saw the works that the Father gave Him to do and believed this is the Messiah sent from God. Others saw a mad man, a lunatic.

Then, the Jews that didn't believe came to Him and asked, "How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly." He answered thus, "I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my boice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." Then these unbelievers took up stones to stone Him.

The sheep believed. Those that weren't sheep didn't beleive. Why? Because they weren't sheep. The cause of their unbelief, though He performed many miracles among them, fullfilled prophecy, declared Himself among them, spake like never man spake before, and did things no man can do they still did not believe. The reason for this is, "ye are not of my sheep." Again, it takes help to misunderstand this simple section of scripture.

 

[TomMann]

You exegete and hermenute very good even if you can't spell hermenute!:thumbs::thumbs:

Not a word I use often. And while I questioned the spelling, I wasn't going to take the time to look it up. Life is too short, more so for some of us than others. Keep declaring the truth of God's Word. In Christ we trust!

 

[Dr. Bob]

Enjoyed the ups and downs of this thread, but WAY past the normal limit of any thread on the BB so going to shut it down.

I'm certain this won't be the last word on the subject . . . :wavey: