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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 3

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Brightfame52

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Christ is far beyond a mere potential Saviour, for He saves by His Grace those He died for, He intercedes for to the uttermost, from all their sins, from their unbelief and disobedience and preserves them to Glory Heb 2:10; Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 2
 
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Brightfame52

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Since Christ is the Saviour of His People, not a potential saviour, everything needed to save His People from their sins, He has provided and effected through His Death, this is shown through such passages as :


Jer. 31:33, 34; Heb. 8:10-12; Ezek. 36:25-27
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
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25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
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Faith and Repentance are included in these spiritual blessings, ratified unto all for whom Christ died ensuring their Salvation to the uttermost. 3
 
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Brightfame52

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For Christ to be the author of ones Salvation Heb 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He must have made sure of everything needed to save His people from their sins. Is Faith needed ? Is repentance needed ? All those blessing have been secured by Christ and shall be applied by Christ through His Spirit.
 
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Brightfame52

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He Shall save !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

These three words declare the impossibility of Jesus failing to save. They erase the false concept that He is merely a potential saviour. God sent the angel to make known this is his name. Therefore, God joined his glory to this statement. The glory of God’s immutability is joined to his name: God changes not therefore he shall save. The glory of God’s faithfulness is joined to his name: God is faithful that promised so he shall save. The glory of God’s truthfulness is joined to his name: God cannot lie so he shall save. The glory of God’s grace and righteousness is joined to his name: the Lord must be made known to be just and Justifier so he shall save. 3
 
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Ascetic X

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To limit the atonement of Christ by saying “He saves by His Grace those He died for” is so utterly anti-biblical. At judgment day, those who did not accept the sacrifice of Jesus can declare, “He did not die for my sins, He only died for for the sins of those who accepted Him.”

But the Bible clearly states that Christ died for the sins of the entire world, so all people and every person has the potential to be saved.

Imagine witnessing to someone, who asks, “You mean Jesus died for my sins?” And the hyper Calvinist replies, “Well, only if you accept Him. Otherwise, no. “

I John 2:2

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. (NOT for only the ungodly who accepted Him.)

II Cor. 5:14

For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world (NOT just those in the world who will accept Him), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
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Psalty

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Hey BF, how do you explain this verse?
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
— 2 Peter 2:1
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namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
— 2 Corinthians 5:19
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and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
— 1 John 2:2
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Brightfame52

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Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. Hebrews 9:12

Christ by His Own Blood, meaning His Death obtained eternal redemption for us. not a potential or possible salvation. This scripture is just one of many that confutes the ungodly notion that Christs death merely made Christ a potential saviour, but by His death He saved them He died for with a eternal redemption !
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
No its not, Its Christ exalting, to limit His death in its saving efficacy is antibiblical, even anti-Christ
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Odd that you would say "to limit His death in its saving efficacy is antibiblical, even anti-Christ" since you are the one that claims He only died for the calvinist elect, that is limiting the efficacy BF.

You keep saying these things BF but you do not provide any supporting scripture.

Your opinion is just that, your opinion.

The bible is clear as to whom Christ died for

Joh 3:17 ...but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Heb 2:9 ... so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

1Jn 2:2 ...the atoning sacrifice for our sins,...but also for the sins of the whole world.

1Ti 4:10...who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe.

Rom 5:6...Christ died for the ungodly.

Rom 5:8 ... While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Are you starting to see a pattern here BF. It is clear that you have a problem with your view unless you think these verses only apply to the calvinist elect.

But this verse should help you see the truth, the atonement was for everyone.

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Rom 3:22 And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

The gospel excludes none that do not exclude themselves by refusing to appropriate the finished work of Jesus Christ
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Odd that you would say "to limit His death in its saving efficacy is antibiblical, even anti-Christ"
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Its true.
Silverhair said:
since you are the one that claims He only died for the calvinist elect, that is limiting the efficacy BF.
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No its not limiting the efficiency, thats your teaching, but the extent is limited to the elect. Learn your word meanings, you the one said " Christs death didnt save anyone"
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Its true.

No its not limiting the efficiency, thats your teaching, but the extent is limited to the elect. Learn your word meanings, you the one said " Christs death didnt save anyone"
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His death did BF we are saved by faith in the risen Christ.

1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
 
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Brightfame52

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1 Jn 4:9

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

This scripture reveals an dynamic of the Cross of Christ, why He died for His people, so that they might live through or because of Him. So the preaching of the Cross is the Power of God, His Death is the Power of God and Gods Love manifested. His Death ensures life, spiritual life for everyone He died, the cross is a power itself—the sovereign power of God. Since God, out of His great love, sent Christ to die for His people that through His death we might have life, that death must save and give life to all the objects of God’s love. The cross does not make salvation possible for all so that anyone can have it, if they will only take it. Christ’s death actually saves God’s elect people. “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10). In His death on the cross Christ did not merely make provision for salvation. He actually obtained salvation. Thus we read, “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us” (Heb. 9:12). It is the very power that saves. The apostle teaches that when he says, “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God” (I Cor. 1:23-24). Indeed, “Christ crucified” is the “power of God”-the sovereign effectual power of God that does actually save His people from all sin. God loves His people, Christ has died for them, surely then, they will all be saved.

A large portion of this is quoted from an article by Steve Houck

God’s Sovereignty in Salvation – CPRC section

God’s Love and the Cross f​

 
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Silverhair

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@Brightfame52 did you bother to compare what Houck wrote with scripture?

Houck "The cross does not make salvation possible for all so that anyone can have it, if they will only take it. Christ’s death actually saves God’s elect people."
"Since God, out of His great love, sent Christ to die for His people that through His death we might have life, that death must save and give life to all the objects of God’s love."

Bible Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

1Ti 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Since Houck cannot even get basic theology right then why would you believe what he has said?

It seems you want to trust the word of fallible man over the infallible word of God.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Yep he good, its you that resists the truth and blaspheme Christ Death by saying it saved no one.
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BF scripture shows that you and Houck are wrong.

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

That you continue to reject scripture just shows how far you have drifted from the truth.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
How were they reconciled to God here ?
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Just as we are told in 1 Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

But reconciliation does not mean save BF.

Just as we see in Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
 
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