Silverhair
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Two problems with what you said BF.
Reconciled to God does not mean saved and the text says we are saved by His life and you continue to ignore that point.
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Reconciled to God does not mean saved and the text says we are saved by His life and you continue to ignore that point.
Silverhair
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Since the church is composed of believers you are now claiming that only your "calvinist elect" are saved. So your claiming that unless one is a clavinist they are lost.
God says He wants all to come to repentance but in reality by your claim He actually does not. You have made God a liar. But since we know that God cannot lie that means your view is wrong.
Brightfame52
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The bible doesn't utter your blasphemy buddy
Brightfame52
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Sure it does,
Thats true too, and you deny that as well, To be saved by His life doesn't mean they weren't also saved by His death, it means it went from one phase of salvation [legal] to another phase spiritual. And you deny both because you believe there are people He died for and rose for, and they still lost. Tell me its not true
Brightfame52
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No its not only composed of believers, but believers and them who shall believe. That's why Jesus prayed for His future believers Jn 17:20
20 And I pray not only for them, but also for them that shall believe into me by the word of them;
Silverhair
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Your calling the word of God blasphemy now? Have you lost your mind?
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
You keep insisting that being reconciled equals being saved. Your wrong BF.
2Co_5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation
Is all the world saved BF?
Silverhair
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You have such a weird understanding of the word of God.
Brightfame52
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Where does the word of God utter the blasphemy " Christ Death didnt save anyone" ? Have you lost your mind ?
Brightfame52
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Its right there before you Jn 17:20
20 And I pray not only for them, but also for them that shall believe into me by the word of them;
Shall believe is future tense, they havent believed yet, some of them had not yet been born yet, but they still His Body the Church He Loved and gave Himself for Ephesians 5:25
25 Men, love ye your wives, as [and] Christ loved the church, and gave himself for it,
Silverhair
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The word of God says His life saves BF.
Where are we told His death saved no one BF?
Right here in:
1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
If Christ was not raised then He was still dead BF. Does that simple logic go right over your head.
Why do so many calvinist struggle with basic logic.
Silverhair
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Odd how you want me to believe what is not written in the bible but that you read into the text but you will not believe what is actually written in the bible.
As I said you have a strange way of understanding the word of God.
Brightfame52
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I didnt ask u that. Thats true. However where is the blasphemy His Death doesnt save ?
Brightfame52
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This is an example of being blind . You can have a scripture right under your nose and cant see it.
37818
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Romans 2:1, Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
But then, no one can see referred Scripture not being again cited.
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Silverhair
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It is right in front of you BF but you refuse to see it as it shows the error of your philosophy.
Silverhair
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BF the scripture has been shown to you many times. This is an example of you being blind. You can have a scripture right under your nose and cant see it.
Brightfame52
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Now you seeing things. That Blasphemy isnt in scripture.
Silverhair
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BF reconciliation does not equal salvation, that is your error. We are saved by His life.
To say that His death did not save is not blasphemy BF it is biblical truth. You just will not accept that truth.
37818
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Again, Romans 5:8-10, But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.