Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 4

[Brightfame52]

Now what about 1 Tim 4:10

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Is this scripture teaching that God is the Saviour of all men without exception ? No, God isnt a Saviour to men that arent saved, thats a contradiction. What Paul is saying here is that God is the Saviour of all men, and so that it wouldnt be misunderstood that he intends all without exception, he adds a qualifier, especially or particularly them that believe.

It also denotes all men without distinction God saves, again which is evidenced by their believing. A Lost unsaved person lacks a Saviour, or they would be saved !

 

[Brightfame52]

So you disagree with God.

Where ? Show where God states He is a potential saviour

 

[Brightfame52]

For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save the lost.

Are you implying He failed to seek and to save that which was lost ? Are any He sought going to be lost ? Yes or No

 

[Silverhair]

Where ? Show where God states He is a potential saviour

BF you are so blind to the truth of God's word that you post a verse that shows God is the savior of all men and you do not even see it.

1Ti 4:10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

Joh 4:42 They said to the woman, “We now believe not only because of your words; we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man truly is the Savior of the world.”

1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.

BF you can either believe the word of God or your calvinism but not both.

 

[Ascetic X]

Where ? Show where God states He is a potential saviour

The potential is not in the Savior, it’s in the acceptance of the Savior.

This is not a perfect analogy, but I think it comes close.

It’s as if a rich man determined all the financial debt of an entire town, then declared he would give each person the funds required to pay off their debts, but each one had to sign a form authorizing the rich man to send the money to who he owed money to. The rich man had records of each person’s debt, and who was owed, and he was willing and able to pay all of it.

If a person did not trust the rich man’s offer, and refused to sign the form to okay the transaction, the funds covering his debt still existed, but did that skeptic no good, because he failed to take advantage of it.

The untrusting individual cannot claim that the rich man did not want to pay off his debt, because while his debts remained unpaid, it was not the rich man’s fault. The rich man would not force the funds on anyone. All the people had to do was accept his generous offer. They did not work for the money, they just had to accept it.

Signing the authorization form was the act of faith required to receive the money. It was not works, because no one could sign the form better than anyone else, thus there was no bragging about it. You either signed the authorization form or you rejected it.

The saving power of the money was not potential, it existed tangibly. But the paying of debts of each individual was potential, in that they had to receive it personally.

1 John 2:2 (NIV): "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world".

John 1:29 (NIV): "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

John 3:16 (NIV): "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are so blind to the truth of God's word that you post a verse that shows God is the savior of all men and you do not even see it.

Nothing about a potential savior, but Saviour.

Does Jn 4:42 read

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the potential Saviour of the world.

 

[Silverhair]

The potential is not in the Savior, it’s in the acceptance of the Savior.

This is not a perfect analogy, but I think it comes close.

It’s as if a rich man determined all the financial debt of an entire town, then declared he would give each person the funds required to pay off their debts, but each one had to sign a form authorizing the rich man to send the money to who he owed money to. The rich man had records of each person’s debt, and who was owed, and he was willing and able to pay all of it.

If a person did not trust the rich man’s offer, and refused to sign the form to okay the transaction, the funds covering his debt still existed, but did that skeptic no good, because he failed to take advantage of it.

The untrusting individual cannot claim that the rich man did not want to pay off his debt, because while his debts remained unpaid, it was not the rich man’s fault. The rich man would not force the funds on anyone. All the people had to do was accept his generous offer. They did not work for the money, they just had to accept it.

Signing the authorization form was the act of faith required to receive the money. It was not works, because no one could sign the form better than anyone else, thus there was no bragging about it. You either signed the authorization form or you rejected it.

The saving power of the money was not potential, it existed tangibly. But the paying of debts of each individual was potential, in that they had to receive it personally.

1 John 2:2 (NIV): "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world".

John 1:29 (NIV): "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

John 3:16 (NIV): "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Well said but that concept will go right over BF's head as it does not fit his particular view.

 

[Brightfame52]

The potential is not in the Savior, it’s in the acceptance of the Savior.

Thats what the Saviour does, save from sin and disobedience. Non acceptance of Christ is disobedience and thats everyone of us dead in sin, our nature is one of disobedience/unbelief Eph 2:2-3

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

So what kind of Saviour from sin will fail to save you because of sin ? lol

If a person did not trust the rich man’s offer, and refused to sign the form to okay the transaction, the funds covering his debt still existed, but did that skeptic no good, because he failed to take advantage of it.

Wonder if the offer is made to a dead man ? How can a dead man trust ?

 

[Silverhair]

Nothing about a potential savior, but Saviour.

Does Jn 4:42 read

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the potential Saviour of the world.

So BF since you do not see Christ as the potential savior then He must be the the actual savior of the whole world, everyone is saved. That would then make you a universalist BF.

But when we go by what the bible says then we find that Jesus is the potential savior of the whole world:

1 John 2:2 (NIV): "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world".

John 1:29 (NIV): "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

John 3:16 (NIV): "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Salvation is available to all but only those that freely trust in Him will be saved.

Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

We see this clearly stated in scripture BF

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Eph 1:13 And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

These present potential salvation BF.

It is time that you start to believe the word of God rather than those calvinist teachings.

 

[Silverhair]

Thats what the Saviour does, save from sin and disobedience. Non acceptance of Christ is disobedience and thats everyone of us dead in sin, our nature is one of disobedience/unbelief Eph 2:2-3

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

So what kind of Saviour from sin will fail to save you because of sin ? lol

Wonder if the offer is made to a dead man ? How can a dead man trust ?

There you go proving that Christ is the potential savior for the whole world. Salvation is available to all, Christ is the savior of the whole world, but only those that will trust in Him will be saved.

Physically dead people do not do anything BF. I would think that you being a minister would understand that basic fact of nature.

Spiritually dead people, which we all are prior to our salvation, can hear and respond to the gospel and be saved. This is also something that you should understand.

 

[Brightfame52]

So BF since you do not see Christ as the potential savior then He must be the the actual savior of the whole world, everyone is saved. That would then make you a universalist BF.

He is the Saviour of His People the elect as promised. Matt 1:21 Not a potential saviour, thats an idol from your mind

 

[Brightfame52]

There you go proving that Christ is the potential savior for the whole world. Salvation is available to all, Christ is the savior of the whole world, but only those that will trust in Him will be saved.

Its simple He is the Saviour to the saved. The final unsaved had no saviour