Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

[Marooncat79]

In Galatians 1:11-24, again, we see Paul having been called by God not as a result of human desire but by God

Eph 4:1-6

Phil 3:12-14

II Tim 1:10


The NT is replete with the calling of God

 

[Charlie24]

Drawing is the application of salvation

Christ said, If I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me.

If you believe that draw equals salvation then you must be a Universalist, believing all are saved in the end.

Calvin called that heresy.

 

[Charlie24]

Christ said, If I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me.

If you believe that draw equals salvation then you must be a Universalist, believing all are saved in the end.

Calvin called that heresy.

BF, if go Calvin's way with "all men" it doesn't mean all men as in each individual person in humanity, he interpreted it as "all kinds of men" limiting it to the elect. Of course he had to do that because he interpreted predestination in the wrong way from Rom. 8 and Eph. 1.

How do you see "all men" is it Calvin's way or the Universalist way? I know it's not my way, that's for sure.

 

[Silverhair]

Well not all men are being saved, so God is not successful according to you in seeing His perfecr plan completed

Therefore, He is an imperfect God for what touu say you believe

His plan is that those that freely trust in Him will be saved so why do you say His plan is failing.

Why do you think His plan is failing @Marooncat79 is it because what God has said does not fit your calvinist theories?
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Silverhair]

For what you say you believe, Salvation is a reward for believing the Gospel not a work of Gods grace whereby God freely justifies sinners

As I said before where do you come up with these odd ideas?

What do we see in scripture
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Now that seems clear to me, what are you missing? God told us to preach the gospel to the whole world, why do you think that is @Marooncat79?

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So there we see the requirement, call / confess, and the result, you will be saved.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;

God, who is gracious, will save those that freely believe in Him.

I do notice that calvinist's struggle to accept the clear truths of God's word when it shows the error of their man-made religion.

 

[Brightfame52]

Again they whom Christ is a Saviour to He gives them with repentance also the remission or forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Which is also Salvation. The knowledge of it is Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,1

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ said, If I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me.

If you believe that draw equals salvation then you must be a Universalist, believing all are saved in the end.

Calvin called that heresy.

Yes all the elect around the world He applied salvation.

 

[Marooncat79]

His plan is that those that freely trust in Him will be saved so why do you say His plan is failing.

Why do you think His plan is failing @Marooncat79 is it because what God has said does not fit your calvinist theories?
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

No. You have to believe that God is failing since not all will be saved

Im good here. I believe Gods will is 100% followed no matter what

 

[Marooncat79]

As I said before where do you come up with these odd ideas?

What do we see in scripture
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Now that seems clear to me, what are you missing? God told us to preach the gospel to the whole world, why do you think that is @Marooncat79?

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So there we see the requirement, call / confess, and the result, you will be saved.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;

God, who is gracious, will save those that freely believe in Him.

I do notice that calvinist's struggle to accept the clear truths of God's word when it shows the error of their man-made religion.

I believe those texts. You are the one who denies Gods sovereignty in salvation

 

[Silverhair]

No. You have to believe that God is failing since not all will be saved

Im good here. I believe Gods will is 100% followed no matter what

Why do you think I have to agree with your odd theory?

I actually believe what the bible says in the verses that I quoted to you but it seems you have a problem with the word of God.

 

[Silverhair]

I believe those texts. You are the one who denies Gods sovereignty in salvation

Where have I denied the sovereignty of God?

Now you have done so in the posts you just made.

You say He has failed in His plan because His plan does not agree with your TULIP/DoG view.

 

[Marooncat79]

Why do you think I have to agree with your odd theory?

I actually believe what the bible says in the verses that I quoted to you but it seems you have a problem with the word of God.

No sir. You def have a problem w Gods Word

I have been very truebto it.

 

[Silverhair]

No sir. You def have a problem w Gods Word

I have been very truebto it.

Well it seems that you have a different understanding of those texts.

Care to explain them from your calvinists view

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;

 

[Marooncat79]

I will believe thsi

Romans 8


For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

 

[Brightfame52]

Well it seems that you have a different understanding of those texts.

Care to explain them from your calvinists view

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;

All those scriptures pertain to God's elect