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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

Silverhair

Silverhair

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Mikoo said:
Still haven't answered the actual question. Again:
How is it that you were able to have faith and receive God's grace unto salvation and millions of others are not able and are condemned?
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What do you think free will means but to be able to make choices.

"Free will is the capacity for agents to choose between different possible courses of action (aka choosing “otherwise”). This does not require the person to be able to choose anything, nor does it require the absence of other influencing factors such as creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message, etc. It only requires the ability for a person confronted with a decision to be able to choose from among one or more possible options."
 
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Charlie24

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Mikoo said:
How is it that you were able to have faith and receive God's grace unto salvation and millions of others are not able and are condemned?
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Have you ever been talking to someone about the Word of God, reading it, listening to a sermon, or certain Scripture verses come to mind and you realize you are the reason Christ was nailed on that Cross, or you realize you are separated from God?

That's the Holy Spirit breaking through your depravity with the truth of God's Word. It's an invitation to see things you couldn't see before, who you are in the eyes of God, where you're at with God, and where you could be with God.
 
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Mikoo

Active Member
Silverhair said:
What do you think free will means but to be able to make choices.

"Free will is the capacity for agents to choose between different possible courses of action (aka choosing “otherwise”). This does not require the person to be able to choose anything, nor does it require the absence of other influencing factors such as creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message, etc. It only requires the ability for a person confronted with a decision to be able to choose from among one or more possible options."
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Still didn't answer: How is it that you were able to have faith and receive God's grace unto salvation and millions of others are not able and are condemned?
Did you choose God all on your own without any of God's help?
 
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Mikoo

Active Member
Charlie24 said:
Have you ever been talking to someone about the Word of God, reading it, listening to a sermon, or certain Scripture verses come to mind and you realize you are the reason Christ was nailed on that Cross, or you realize you are separated from God?

That's the Holy Spirit breaking through your depravity with the truth of God's Word. It's an invitation to see things you couldn't see before, who you are in the eyes of God, where you're at with God, and where you could be with God.
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I agree. Seems like some think that they chose Christ of their own 'free will' without prompting from the Holy Spirit. I guess they were just better and more righteous that other human beings.
 
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Charlie24

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Mikoo said:
I agree. Seems like some think that they chose Christ of their own 'free will' without prompting from the Holy Spirit. I guess they were just better and more righteous that other human beings.
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No man can come to Christ except the Father draws him.

That's how He does it. That's when He's near and you can call on Him for mercy.

Isa. 55:6-7

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Mikoo said:
Still didn't answer: How is it that you were able to have faith and receive God's grace unto salvation and millions of others are not able and are condemned?
Did you choose God all on your own without any of God's help?
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Are you asking if God caused me to trust in Him then no He did not. If on the other hand if you are asking if He provided the means to know Him, creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message, etc. then yes.

Man has to make the choice to either trust in or reject God.

Are you suggesting that God has to cause you to trust in Him?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Blasphemy, the ones Christ died for their sins were purged away when he died Hebrews 1:3, they are saved from the guilt and penalty of their sin at the cross
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BF you have been shown that your views do not comport with scripture but you still hold to those errant views.

This verse alone shows the error of your view.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF you have been shown that your views do not comport with scripture but you still hold to those errant views.

This verse alone shows the error of your view.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
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The death of Christ saved them He died for from the penalty and guilt of their sin. Heb 1:3
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
The death of Christ saved them He died for from the penalty and guilt of their sin. Heb 1:3
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BF you are reading into the verse your own views but the verse does not support what you need it to say.

Heb 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

You need the verse to say He died for, made purification of sins for a select group but it does not say that BF

1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

What we see is that His death was the atoning sacrifice was that the sins of humanity were covered and all those that would freely trust in Him would be saved.

As Paul clearly said we are not saved by His death but we are saved by His life.

1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Heb 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
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To be cleansed from the guilt of sins by expiating death of Christ as per Heb 1:3, means Justification before God. That also means to be declared righteous before God, even though we be in unbelief and rebellion against God.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
To be cleansed from the guilt of sins by expiating death of Christ as per Heb 1:3, means Justification before God. That also means to be declared righteous before God, even though we be in unbelief and rebellion against God.
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What?

That is not logical BF. You are saying that sinners are righteous before God.
 
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