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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

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Brightfame52

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Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

One of Christs ministries as Saviour at the right hand of God the Father is making intercession, which doeth consist of exhibiting the merits of His Blood on behalf of Gods elect, His Church, whom He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25 His intercession is an integral part of His Saving to the uttermost all for whom He died Heb 7:25. For it [His intercession] secures every needed spiritual blessing needful for all whom He died and intercedes for to be spiritually converted to God. Christs intercession ensures that that the merits of His saving death/blood are applied, made effectual for all for whom He died! That's what He being a Savior is all about!
 
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Brightfame52

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In conjunction with Christ being a Saviour of sinners, its written and testified by the Apostle Paul that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners , not to potentially save them 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

See that's what a Saviour of sinners does, Saves them from sin ! 1
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
In conjunction with Christ being a Saviour of sinners, its written and testified by the Apostle Paul that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners , not to potentially save them 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

See that's what a Saviour of sinners does, Saves them from sin ! 1
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So by your logic since all have sinned Rom 3:23 then all should be saved. Is this where you get your unconditional salvation from BF?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
So by your logic only your "elect" are sinners.
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No but they are the only sinners Christ came to save. Like Paul who wrote 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now Paul was an elect sinner. And again Jesus came to save sinners, not potentially save.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
No but they are the only sinners Christ came to save. Like Paul who wrote 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now Paul was an elect sinner. And again Jesus came to save sinners, not potentially save.
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Since Christ came to save sinners Joh 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Note the the word "might"

Salvation is available to all but only those that will freely trust in Him will be saved.


But what do you say BF?
"Jesus came to save sinners,"

The bible is clear that we are all sinners, Rom 3:23 not potential sinners. So if all are sinners and as you insist He came to save sinners and that unconditionally, then all should be saved.

Your theory of salvation has holes big enough to drive a truck threw it.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF you know that is not what John 3:14-17 says but you will continue to say it because that is what your false theory of salvation requires that you say.
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Salvation in Christ Jesus is only for the elect 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Like he obtained it as one of Gods elect 1 Tim 1:15-16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Salvation in Christ Jesus is only for the elect 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Like he obtained it as one of Gods elect 1 Tim 1:15-16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
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BF you are abusing the word of God again in your attempt to make it fit your theory of salvation.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You are not accepting the word of God
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Au con-traire BF. I, unlike you, do not have to trust in a man-made religion. You have allowed the words of augustine, calvin and other calvinists to shape your religious views. When someone attempts to make the bible fit with their philosophy, as you do, then you know they have lost.

The word of God is the standard not your philosophical views BF.
 
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