Christ wanted to be a friend not a master

[Revmitchell]

If you recall, you plucked my 'friend of God' comment out of its context, which was about female submission and Christ's headship being more in line with one who treats those he leads as 'friends' rather than 'slaves.' I'm not sure how that conversation would fit this accusation, but maybe you can explain? Or, maybe you can quote other examples?

Actually you plucked that out of any context at all, I quoted the entire phrase. And as such there is no context in which that statement represents God correctly. And in that phrase you used the word master not slave.

Jesus, NOT ME, said, "I no longer call you slaves, but friends..." What point would you suggest he is attempting to make if not the one I've expounded upon throughout this thread? Could it not be the shift from a law (master/servant) based relationship to a grace (father/son/friend) type relationship. After all, one of the major points of the Old Testament is "you are no longer under law but under grace," right? I'm not sure why we are arguing this point? Maybe you can explain.

Master in the sense of submission to God not slave as in I have no other choice.

Again, you never explained what specifically you disagreed with about my statement. And you never explained why you didn't find what I said problematic, but yet you still didn't agree?

Maybe you were just feeling disagreeable that day?

Interesting, several others understood me. Not sure why you cannot.

 

[Revmitchell]

By the way you might check out Romans 1:1, Titus 1:1 where Paul suggests he is a servant (slave) of Christ.

 

[Skandelon]

Actually you plucked that out of any context at all, I quoted the entire phrase. And as such there is no context in which that statement represents God correctly. And in that phrase you used the word master not slave.

Master in the sense of submission to God not slave as in I have no other choice.

I think I explained that position very clearly back on post 50, and you neglected to engage with that point...

Interesting, several others understood me. Not sure why you cannot.

Where did anyone say they understood what you meant by your comment, "No I don't agree but neither do I find that statement all that problematic."

You don't agree...YET...You don't find that statement all that problematic. That is not confusing to anyone else?

Further, you claimed I was taking an analogy 'too far' and I asked for what specifically you felt I took too far and you have neglected to explain. Why?

 

[Skandelon]

By the way you might check out Romans 1:1, Titus 1:1 where Paul suggests he is a servant (slave) of Christ.

And??????????

 

[Revmitchell]

I'll tell you what, I do not want to talk past you and I do not want you talking past me. So I will again try to drop it. You are welcome to be wrong all day long. Quite frankly I think you have been going at it with the attack cals on this board to long. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Skandelon]

I'll tell you what, I do not want to talk past you and I do not want you talking past me. So I will again try to drop it.

Translation: I cannot answer his honest question without revealing the weakness of my objection, so I'll pretend to take the high road and be the one to just "drop it"....

You are welcome to be wrong all day long.

Translation continued: ...but not before going back to the low road and taking one last stab on my way out the door....

Quite frankly I think you have been going at it with the attack cals on this board to long. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

Translation continued: ...and making a personal attack on his over involvement on this forum while ignoring my own 20K plus posts...


Revealing...:sleep:

 

[Luke2427]

So, then may we all conclude you are clamoring for refutation? If what I wrote seemed 'agreeable' then what you wrote must seem to be equally un-agreeable. Are you canidating to be the most despised on this board? You must be? Maybe it makes you feel like the martyr? Is that it?

Actually I think I am liked pretty well by numerous folks on the board.

I don't think my opponents are in a position of superiority or power whereby they CAN martyr me if you are referring to you and a few other rabid anti-cals and fundies who hate me so.

I am as loved as I am hated. But I think I am respected as one who really believes the stuff he says and is not at all running for office or clamoring for affirmation.

I don't think that is remotely true of you... not even remotely.

 

[Iconoclast]

I'll tell you what, I do not want to talk past you and I do not want you talking past me. So I will again try to drop it. You are welcome to be wrong all day long. Quite frankly I think you have been going at it with the attack cals on this board to long. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

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