Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the US to assassinate venezuela P

[El_Guero]

Terry

Pat Robertson is a disgrace to Christianity!

I agree!

I just pray that he CANNOT CLAIM TEXAS.

 

[Eric B]

Why does Pat want him murdered? Because he is afraid of him? Pat, put your trust in Christ, you need fear no one when Jesus is the Lord of your life. Be worried about those that take your soul, not those that take your life!

The irony of this is that leaders like him, LaHaye, etc. teach us this, and a whole Christian counseling philosophy has developed based on this (telling people not to "fear", or be angry, when bad things happen or threaten them; calling these emotions sin, even, and of course, accept "attacks" with peace, contentment and thanksgiving, and forgive, etc). Yet when it comes to some political threat, then it's a different story. (I guess that's "godly" fear, and "righteous" anger, )
but this all the more is what proves to the non-Christian world that Christianity is just the opiate of the people--the very attitude these leaders have complained about. That's one reason Muslims won't listen to us, and Islam is seen as a better religion by many. At least they teach consistently that one defends themselves, and thewy are not going to let us pacify them into submission.

 

[born again and again]

Robertson does hold himself out to be a Christian leader, and it appears that he has many followers. Perhaps the Churches who do not follow him should speak out and make it clear to the rest of the world that he does not speak for Christianity, only for himself.

 

[born again and again]

In all fairness to brother Pat. According to him, he only said to, ". . .take him out."

 

[Squire Robertsson]

To me, Senor Presidente simply doesn't like the messiness of the First Amendment. In fact, the vehemence with which he voices his dislike almost borders on laughable.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by born again and again:
In all fairness to brother Pat. According to him, he only said to, ". . .take him out."

First off, everyone pretty much knows that means to kill someone.

Secondly, he said more than that:

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we
really ought to go ahead and do it," said Robertson Monday. "It's a
whole lot cheaper than starting a war."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166642,00.html

That's straight from Fox News, the darling of conservative Christians.

 

[JohnAMac]

People have been arrested and jailed without trial for saying a lot less under the current edition of the Patriot Act. Arresting and jailing Pat might help keep a lot of the grief that will be involved with this incident away from Bush's doorstep. They certainly have the legal grounds to do it.

 

[Bunyon]

"To me, Senor Presidente simply doesn't like the messiness of the First Amendment. In fact, the vehemence with which he voices his dislike almost borders on laughable."

Yes Sir, I'll second that!

 

[rsr]

Originally posted by born again and again:
Perhaps the Churches who do not follow him should speak out and make it clear to the rest of the world that he does not speak for Christianity, only for himself.

According to the New York Times:

"But other conservative Christian organizations remained silent, with leaders at the Traditional Values Coalition, the Family Research Council and the Christian Coalition saying they were too busy to comment."

 

[born again and again]

Well, they are pretty busy. (does anyone ever get sarcasm in here?)

 

[rsr]

While I am often critical of the SBC leadership, I do applaud President Bobby Welch for distancing the convention from Robertson's remarks:

Bobby Welch, SBC president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Daytona Beach, Fla., said, “The Southern Baptist Convention does not support or endorse public statements concerning assassinations of persons, even if they are despicable despots of foreign countries, and neither do I.

“Everyone is aware that the United Stares has a military and government agencies to deal with our foreign threats in a forceful combative way,” Welch said in an Aug. 23 statement. “The Christian’s responsibility,” he noted, “is to pray for our leaders as well as the extremists around the world. Jesus Christ can save these people and change their lives.”

Of course, I would have preferred that he had used stronger language.

Al Mohler, bless his heart, did a bit better:

With unmistakable clarity and an apparent lack of self-consciousness, Robertson simply called for an assassination, presumably to be undertaken by U.S. military forces in violation of U.S. law.

In so doing he gave the Venezuelan leader a propaganda gold mine, embarrassed the Bush administration, and left millions of viewers perplexed and troubled. More importantly, he brought shame to the cause of Christ. This is the kind of outrageous statement that makes evangelism all the more difficult. Missing from the entire context is the Christian understanding that violence can never be blessed as a good, but may only be employed under circumstances that would justify the limited use of lethal force in order to prevent even greater violence. Our witness to the Gospel is inevitably and deeply harmed when a recognized Christian leader casually recommends the assassination of a world leader.

But isn't it time for Southern Baptists to call a spade a spade and deny that Robertson is a "recognized Christian leader," especially since he's an ordained SBC minister?

Enough is enough.

 

[fromtheright]

Pat Robertson is a self-infatuated kook.

 

[Matt Black]

Re the idea that Pat Robertson made a one-time mistake:

Here are some of his previous comments--

--When televangelist Jerry Fallwell said on PR's show that 9/11 happened because...

"The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this … I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'" Falwell's rationale is that the secularization of America has provoked God "to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."

PR's reaction was...

700 Club host Pat Robertson, who said he "totally concurs" with Falwell's assessment, has been preaching a similar message for days. "It [terrorism] is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us," he said in a statement quoted by the Associated Press. "We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye. … We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say, 'Why does this happen?'"

Source: Christianity Today blog, 9/14/01

Riiight, Pat and Jerry: so the 9/11 terrorists were in reality militant gay and lesbian feminazi abortionists in the pay of the ACLU...

Nutty as a fruitcake, the pair of them.

 

[Matt Black]

I look forward to seeing Pat Robertson extradited to Venezuela where he may be held without trial in a camp somewhere for attempting to incite terrorist acts against the Venezuelan state.

 

[Eric B]

People have been arrested and jailed without trial for saying a lot less under the current edition of the Patriot Act. Arresting and jailing Pat might help keep a lot of the grief that will be involved with this incident away from Bush's doorstep. They certainly have the legal grounds to do it.

that would be the ultimate proof to him that the secularists have taken over, and freedom of speech is outlawed.

 

[LadyEagle]

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[LadyEagle]

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