*Christian* Hard Rock Experiment

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by Gina:
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

That symbol is highly used in witchcraft. I'd say kewl, let it be changed and used for something good, or maybe it was good and then changed into a bad meaning, but it doesn't really matter, we're told not to have such symbols. I do think this verse is compatible with those that tell us not to make any graven images. I know, we're not making gods to worship, but the verses seem to have more meanings than one. :

Madonna used to wear crosses all the time... Should we throw away our crosses as assume the worst about people who wear crosses?

By the way, that group looks just scary!

I think Mr. Curtis looks scary with his stay-cool haircut, but that doesn't mean he's a bad guy.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JonathanDT:
[QB]Ahhh, found the link. It's on the 8th page of a 10 page debate

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000164;p=8[/QB ]

Hmm... The boy is 4 years old in the thread you linked here, but in this thread he is 3 years old.

</font>[/QUOTE]I hope you are not calling me a liar. When I made the first post, I was in error, sorry.</font>[/QUOTE]Nope, I'm stating the facts of both posts.

I can understand if you made an error... we all make errors. Since you made an error on your son's age at the time of the incident, do you think you could possibly have made an error in your interpretation of the incident?

(I'm just trying to see how open-minded you are to reconsidering your position.

)

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by HomeBound:
Gina, here is one of PODS sites. It doesn't look Christian to me.

I wonder what a Web site created by Christians should look like? </font>[/QUOTE]Not like this one.

Also, look at the symbol under the drums, beside the singers right leg. Looks like a 666 sign. Hmmm!
http://www.payableondeath.com/

As Jonathan says below, it is indeed the symbol of the Trinity. One of my Bibles (I think published by the Lockman Foundation) had that symbol.

Is that the NKJV? As Gina asked below, was that symbol good at one time?

Also, go here and wait for the site to load. This really looks Christian.

http://www.payableondeath.com/main.html

It looks as "Christian" as most Web sites...

I guess the guy sticking out his tongue is trying to eat or talk right?

Also on this site: 2) Sonny's jump suit from the "Boom" video was placed in a case at the HARD ROCK in Las Vegas this week.

Sounds like idolatry to me.

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Sounds like a *collection* to me. Do you seriously think the Hard Rock Cafe customers worship the jump suit? Do you worship your stamp collection?

It being in the Hard Rock Cafe is to me wrong. Do you see it displayed in church?

Psalms 115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. (hint, silver and gold records

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Oh yeah... I'm sure the psalmist was thinking about music awards...

I thought this was funny. Sorry if I offended you.

I thought that was it, but I searched further on that site and look at this:

More news from around the globe:
Album is now PLATINUM-CERTIFIED in Canada!
Satellite has been certified SILVER in the UK! Gold is next!!!

Album is now GOLD-CERTIFIED in Germany
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in New Zealand
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in Australia
(and GOLD single “Youth of the Nation”)
Album is now PLATINUM-CERTIFIED in Indonesia!
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in Ireland!
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in Singapore!
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in Malaysia!
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in Philippines!
Album is GOLD-CERTIFIED in Sweden!

y're doing pretty well and they seem excited about their career... So what?[/quote]

Again, when I saw the scripture of silver and gold, I also saw this from the website and thought it was funny/interesting. Sorry I offended you.

Ifyou are serious about your critique, I think you are seeing things and assuming the worst of them because you don't want to like them - not a very Christian attitude.

This is my thought on this:
1 Thessalonians 5:22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.
As Gina said, "they look scary."

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by HomeBound:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JonathanDT:
[QB]Ahhh, found the link. It's on the 8th page of a 10 page debate

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000164;p=8[/QB ]

Hmm... The boy is 4 years old in the thread you linked here, but in this thread he is 3 years old.

</font>[/QUOTE]I hope you are not calling me a liar. When I made the first post, I was in error, sorry.</font>[/QUOTE]Nope, I'm stating the facts of both posts.

I can understand if you made an error... we all make errors. Since you made an error on your son's age at the time of the incident, do you think you could possibly have made an error in your interpretation of the incident?

(I'm just trying to see how open-minded you are to reconsidering your position.

)</font>[/QUOTE]I just checked my database and the account is correct.

P.S. It still happens.

 

[RaptureReady]

Gina, here is a site that talks about the symbol and the group P.O.D.
http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_sym.html

[ December 16, 2002, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: HomeBound ]

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
Gina, here is a site that talks about the symbol and the group P.O.D.
http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_sym.html

Oh yeah, that's a great to go for reliable information.

 

[Gina B]

HomeBound, that is interesting, but I would have to say I seriously doubt the group's true intention with the symbol was to knowingly use it for wrong purposes. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt until they made a claim that said otherwise. Like I said before, I'm not for this type of music, but sites like this that get hysterical and see groups they don't agree with as purposely promoting some type of Satanism are out of line. There is nothing about the group on this site apart from their use of this symbol, which Christians use often without understanding what else it also signifies, and definitely without the intention of promoting that significance.
Gina

 

[RaptureReady]

I am not saying that the members of POD partake in satanism. I am saying that I believe that their music and those like it are the spirit work of the antichrist. Not everyone that sings about Jesus is of Jesus.

When the high priest came to get Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, Peter smote the high priests servants ear. You know the story, Jesus healed the servants ear. Did Peter have the right motive for cutting the ear of this servant? Yes he did, but it was not God's will. Using this analogy, we can have the right motive, but be way out of line with God's will.

I for one believe that Peter was aiming for the head and not the ear. Boy would that have been a miracle to see Him put the head of the servant back on him. I guess I will have to ask Peter when I get to Heaven if that was what he was aiming for.

 

[Gina B]

LOL Homebound! Burning question...must see Peter...

 

[Bugman]

When I read the band in question here I had to laugh. Audio Adrelean is not hard rock, not even close to it.

Bryan

 

[Gina B]

Is too!

 

[Ransom]

Sloppy research from HomeBound:

Also, look at the symbol under the drums, beside the singers right leg. Looks like a 666 sign. Hmmm!

Rule of thumb: Any factual claims followed up by "Hmmm!" are probably specious.

The symbol in question is a triquetra. It is a Celtic knot, an abstract piece of ornamental artwork, that was co-opted by early Christian missionaries to Britain to teach the concept of the Trinity: the three arcs representing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, interlocked to symbolize the unity of the Godhead.

The triquetra as a symbol predates the use of arabic numerals by several centuries. A "6-6-6" figure simply did not exist; the Number of the Beast would have been expressed in writing either in Roman numerals (DCVI) or, presumably, runes.

 

[RaptureReady]

Is the symbol today associated with evil?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
Is the symbol today associated with evil?

Only by people who hope to interpret it as evil. As it has been stated before, it is a very common symbol for the Trinity.

 

[Ransom]

Had to zap the provocation. Sorry.

[ December 16, 2002, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: Aaron ]

 

[RaptureReady]

So I guess the answer is YES. Then, why would anyone associate themselves with evil, especially a Christian?

 

[Refreshed]

I don't know about POD being satanic, but aren't they Rastafarians? Their liberal use of the word, "Jah," meaning God, would seem to indicate this.

Check out this link for some funky Jah Rastafarian stuff. Oh, by the way, they believe some dead Ethiopian emporer is the new Messiah to take Jesus' place.

Rastafarian Church

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
So I guess the answer is YES.

Maybe you didn’t understand the answers you received…

The answer is NO unless you want to be one of those people who insist on labeling what is good as evil.

Then, why would anyone associate themselves with evil, especially a Christian?

They don’t.

Why do you insist on associating them with evil?

The symbol you assumed was a “666” is a symbol for the Trinity that is used on many New King James bibles.

Did you know that an early symbol for Christianity was the swastika? Does that make us Nazis?

No?

Okay then… Apply the same logic here.

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Refreshed:
I don't know about POD being satanic, but aren't they Rastafarians?

No.

Their liberal use of the word, "Jah," meaning God, would seem to indicate this.

Why? Rastas aren't the only religion who refer to God this way.

Oh, by the way, they believe some dead Ethiopian emporer is the new Messiah to take Jesus' place.

Right, that would be insane Etheopian dictator, Halle Sallesse, not to be confused with insane tennis star, Ille Nastase.

When I lived in Key West, there was a small community of rastas.

I used to see them in Cubantown or at Fausto's. They were pretty decent guys but I think they must have been reformed rastas or something because your average hardcore rastas can be violent.

By the way, does anyone remember Christafari, the overtly Christian reggae group who got death threats for ministering in the rasta community?

 

[JonathanDT]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
Is the symbol today associated with evil?

No. Very few recognize the symbol in the first place, and most that do know that it symbolizes the Trinity.

Originally posted by Refreshed:
I don't know about POD being satanic, but aren't they Rastafarians? Their liberal use of the word, "Jah," meaning God, would seem to indicate this.

Psalms 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. (KJV)

Mike, yeah I know of Christafari. Aren't they still around? I believe one of the former members of a local band called MLinmo recently joined them. I'm not really into the reggae thing, but they're a fun band to listen to, and their witness seems to be strong.

God bless,

~JD