Christian Influence and Alcohol

[webdog]

Ungh ungh. As I stated in the beginning, this is about alcohol not allthe other stuff you could replace it with.

I wasn't replacing it, I was showing the spiritual benefit as asked. It would mirror those other activities. Add in diving off a diving board and grilling.

There is indeed a difference. The properties of the juice within the skin and seeds is completely different from the juice in the pulp of the grape

.Well, I'm pretty sure King Solomon (writing on behalf of the Holy Spirit) wasn't thinking about the skin and seeds when he penned Proverbs.

I've got a couple or three chemistry degrees, and if I recall correctly, most drinking alcohol is ethyl alcohol and it breaks down into acetaldehyde. Look that stuff up and see what it is.

Good, it should be easy to point me to such studies with your education in chemistry.:thumbsup:

 

[webdog]

Then it's probably not a good idea to consume that much caffeine either.

That's one Starbucks small coffee, one large sized coffee anywhere else. I sure hope they don't serve that poisonous stuff at your church

Jesus had no problem with what interaction and alcohol?

None. He was human in every manner we are yet without sin. He was accused of some of the same things we non teetotalers are accused of here on the BB.

 

[Zaac]

I wasn't replacing it, I was showing the spiritual benefit as asked. It would mirror those other activities. Add in diving off a diving board and grilling.

Let's not. :laugh:

.Well, I'm pretty sure King Solomon (writing on behalf of the Holy Spirit) wasn't thinking about the skin and seeds when he penned Proverbs.

And he wrote the truth. The drink does what he said it would. But it wasn't the alcohol doing it.

Good, it should be easy to point me to such studies with your education in chemistry.:thumbsup:

I just did. Look all over the internet for what acetaldehyde is and does. Should give you all the knowledge you need to know about alcohol.:thumbs: Too much of that stuff will mess you up.

 

[InTheLight]

Good, it should be easy to point me to such studies with your education in chemistry.:thumbsup:

Nope, Zaac won't do it. I predict he will defer and send you on your own search.

 

[Ed B]

Witnessing about what? Are we not to have the mind of Christ and is that not affected by the interaction of alcohol with the brain?

Witness about faith in Christ. The alcohol didn't impact my brain. I didn't drink enough of it.

May I ask why you drink?

I will assume this is an honest question and not a troll

I have never seen moderate consumption of alcohal as sinful. I have had a drink very rarely for many years. I began drinking a little red wine before going to bed a few years back for the health benefits as part of my T2 diabetes regime. It has benefits and even helped my morning BG levels, but I just really don't like it. I will have a beer on occasion because I like a beer at the end of a hot day and with certain foods. That pretty much sums it up.

 

[webdog]

Very first link on a 10 second Google search...

"It seems that having a couple of beers after work can raise your level of HDL cholesterol -- that's the good stuff -- and possibly prevent clotting, too. No one's exactly sure why this might be, but a 2000 study published in the journal "Circulation" set forth a possible reason why HDL levels might be boosted: Ethanol might increase the speed at which HDL proteins can travel through the blood [source: AHA].
Whatever the reason for the positive effects on the heart, those effects seem to be legitimate. One of the most recent studies to find heart-healthy results from drinking was published in January 2008 [source: BBC]. Danish medical researchers tracked 12,000 men and women for two decades to see how alcohol and exercise affected their hearts. The first finding was to be expected: In both men and women, regular exercise decreased the risk of heart disease by about 32 percent. The surprise came when they looked at the effects of alcohol.
People who were active and did not drink alcohol at all had the 30 percent drop in heart disease. People who were active and consumed at least one alcoholic beverage a week had 50 percent fewer occurrences of heart disease than the people who exercised and drank no alcohol."http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/heart/alcohol-good-for-your-heart1.htm

I have a 50% less of a chance of heart disease over someone who doesn't drink...imagine that!

 

[Zaac]

That's one Starbucks small coffee, one large sized coffee anywhere else. I sure hope they don't serve that poisonous stuff at your church

I'm sure they do. :laugh: But I don't drink coffee so I couldn't tell you for sure.

None. He was human in every manner we are yet without sin. He was accused of some of the same things we non teetotalers are accused of here on the BB.

Yes they accused Him of doing something that Scripture at no point says that Hedid.

 

[Zaac]

Nope, Zaac won't do it. I predict he will defer and send you on your own search.

Yep. I find that people learn better when they put in a little effort themselves.:thumbs:

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Recent studies show beer re-hydrates the body quicker after strenuous exercise. It can 'set the mood' for the Mrs...good enough reason in itself

I have to wonder who did those "recent studies."

According to naturalnews.com, alcohol dehydrates the body rather than hydrate...

Alcohol also shares the diuretic quality, so consuming beer and wine, though liquids, will accomplish the same dehydrating effect as the non-alcoholic beverages.

Read the full article here

 

[webdog]

I have to wonder who did those "recent studies."

According to naturalnews.com, alcohol dehydrates the body rather than hydrate...

Alcohol also shares the diuretic quality, so consuming beer and wine, though liquids, will accomplish the same dehydrating effect as the non-alcoholic beverages.

Read the full article here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491236/A-pint-beer-better-workout-water-say-scientists.html

http://www.backpacker.com/beer_hydrate_water/blogs/1074

 

[webdog]

I'm sure they do. :laugh: But I don't drink coffee so I couldn't tell you for sure.

I think we should be starting more threads on coffee consumption then and the wickedness of the devil's java

Yes they accused Him of doing something that Scripture at no point says that Hedid.

...getting drunk, absolutely. Drinking alcoholic wine according to the requirements of passover, absolutely he did.

 

[Zaac]

I think we should be starting more threads on coffee consumption then and the wickedness of the devil's java




...getting drunk, absolutely. Drinking alcoholic wine according to the requirements of passover, absolutely he did.

well I see no where in Scripture that it says He drank it so I'll refrain from saying it..

 

[salzer mtn]

Very first link on a 10 second Google search...

"It seems that having a couple of beers after work can raise your level of HDL cholesterol -- that's the good stuff -- and possibly prevent clotting, too. No one's exactly sure why this might be, but a 2000 study published in the journal "Circulation" set forth a possible reason why HDL levels might be boosted: Ethanol might increase the speed at which HDL proteins can travel through the blood [source: AHA].
Whatever the reason for the positive effects on the heart, those effects seem to be legitimate. One of the most recent studies to find heart-healthy results from drinking was published in January 2008 [source: BBC]. Danish medical researchers tracked 12,000 men and women for two decades to see how alcohol and exercise affected their hearts. The first finding was to be expected: In both men and women, regular exercise decreased the risk of heart disease by about 32 percent. The surprise came when they looked at the effects of alcohol.
People who were active and did not drink alcohol at all had the 30 percent drop in heart disease. People who were active and consumed at least one alcoholic beverage a week had 50 percent fewer occurrences of heart disease than the people who exercised and drank no alcohol."http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/heart/alcohol-good-for-your-heart1.htm

I have a 50% less of a chance of heart disease over someone who doesn't drink...imagine that!

My dad had harding of the ateries and died of a massive heart at the age of 66. His blood pressure was always normal, so all the beer drinking he did didn't help him to live a long life.

 

[webdog]

My dad had harding of the ateries and died of a massive heart at the age of 66. His blood pressure was always normal, so all the beer drinking he did didn't help him to live a long life.

Of course there are always exceptions to anything, but this article was concerning moderation and specificaly those who exercise.

 

[Arbo]

Is alcohol (Please save the lists of everything else that could be placed here. This thread is about ALCOHOL) beneficial to the life of the Christian and to society as a whole?

Scripture says 23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others. 1 Cor. 10:23-24

According to the Betty Ford Center, it is estimated that 10 -15% of adolescents who drink will become alcoholics.

All of us influence people. Who will the Christian who drinks in moderation influence to drink in moderation and in turn that person becomes an alcoholic?

Everything else like caffeine? After all, that too is a drug that is state-altering.

 

[Bro. James]

To me it holds the same social benefit of sharing a cup of coffee with friends. It 'gladdens the heart of man'. It is an anti depressant (Provers 31:7). It has been proven to be good for the heart. Recent studies show beer re-hydrates the body quicker after strenuous exercise. It can 'set the mood' for the Mrs...good enough reason in itself

While there are certain medicinal uses for alcohol, it is actually a central nervous system depressant, not anti-depressant. It shuts down the pain centers--hence "feeling no pain." The chemistry of alcohol is close to that of ether, which was used for anesthesia until Valium and others came along. People who ingest more alcohol than the body can process have anesthesized themselves to the next world.

There is nothing like a cold beer after an afternoon of grasscutting. One can get the same effect from icewater with lemon juice.

Moods and inhibitions can certainly be affected by alcohol, but it is still a central nervous system depressant and can be counter productive in the boudoir. Lotus blossoms are a better choice, also watermelon juice.

This is way off subject.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Revmitchell]

"Drink a little wine for your stomach....." is not the same as "Have a nice glass of bourbon on the rocks simply because you enjoy the taste...."

And want to get drunk (buzzed)

 

[webdog]

While there are certain medicinal uses for alcohol, it is actually a central nervous system depressant, not anti-depressant. It shuts down the pain centers--hence "feeling no pain." The chemistry of alcohol is close to that of ether, which was used for anesthesia until Valium and others came along. People who ingest more alcohol than the body can process have anesthesized themselves to the next world.

There is nothing like a cold beer after an afternoon of grasscutting. One can get the same effect from icewater with lemon juice.

Moods and inhibitions can certainly be affected by alcohol, but it is still a central nervous system depressant and can be counter productive in the boudoir. Lotus blossoms are a better choice, also watermelon juice.

This is way off subject.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Based on Proverbs 31:7 it is clearly an anti depressant...and based on experience, my point concerning the Mrs. stands.

 

[Bro. James]

Context of Proverbs 31:7--

31:4, "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.

31:5, "Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted."

31:6, "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts (despair)."

31:7, "Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more."


conclusion: no routine alcohol, especially for the leadership. Give alcohol to those who are dying and grieving to help ease the pain.

Will a glass of wine with the spouse cause loss of heavenly rewards? Probably not.

Peace.

Bro. James

 

[Bob Alkire]

Proverbs 31:6-7,
I believe it is saying that though others may have used drink as an escape, the king was not to do so.

Warren Wiersbe said,"
"I think verses 6–7 are spoken in irony and not as a commandment, because nobody’s problems are solved by forgetting them, and who wants to spend his or her last minutes of life on earth drunk? [cf. Matt. 27:33–34]."