Christian leaders threaten to abandon Republicans

[hillclimber1]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57908

Some of the top leaders in Christian pro-family activism – including James Dobson of Focus on the Family – met in Salt Lake City yesterday to plot a strategy if Rudy Giuliani or another supporter of legalized abortion is nominated by the Republican Party as its presidential candidate.

Perhaps the most surprising development in the meeting was the floating of an idea to recruit yet another candidate to enter the fray.

 

[Salty]

I'm sure Hllary is very exicted about this. Look at the bright side of this, she wont be our US Senator any longer:tear:


Salty

 

[KenH]

The war with al Qaeda trumps social issues for a lot of conservative Christians. Plus a lot of conservative Christians totally despise Hillary Clinton. Therefore, a lot of conservative Christians will vote for Giuliani regardless of his positions on social issues.

 

[saturneptune]

A true conservative Christian will not vote for Giuliani because of his pro abortion stance. A conservative from my part of the country will not vote for him based on gun control and gay rights alone. There is no telling who would carry my state between Hillary and Giuliani. My guess is Hillary as disguisting as that is.

Back to the op, why would anyone expect anything different from Christian leaders than to abandon Republican candidates? Maybe they are sick of leaderless pseudo-conservatives who pander the Christian vote at election time?

Maybe they are sick of self-righteous people like Mr. Craig, Mr. Vitter, and Mr. Stevens pounding the podium to proclaim marriage between a man and a woman, fidelity in marriage, and honesty in government, then turning right around and doing the opposite.

 

[hillclimber1]

The war with al Qaeda trumps social issues for a lot of conservative Christians. Plus a lot of conservative Christians totally despise Hillary Clinton. Therefore, a lot of conservative Christians will vote for Giuliani regardless of his positions on social issues.

I agree, but only nominal Christians could vote for Rudy, though they be many. And the war on terrorists is/should be huge.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I agree, but only nominal Christians could vote for Rudy, though they be many. And the war on terrorists is/should be huge.

I find it amusing how you link one's commitment to Christ with YOUR political views.

It is not surprising to see some of these so-called "leaders" dumping the GOP. They are beginning to see that this administration, and the GOP in general, are not conservative, and that they have been playing the Religious Right for their own political gain.

 

[hillclimber1]

A true conservative Christian will not vote for Giuliani because of his pro abortion stance. A conservative from my part of the country will not vote for him based on gun control and gay rights alone. There is no telling who would carry my state between Hillary and Giuliani. My guess is Hillary as disguisting as that is.

Very good. OR will carry hillary in a landslide.

Back to the op, why would anyone expect anything different from Christian leaders than to abandon Republican candidates? Maybe they are sick of leaderless pseudo-conservatives who pander the Christian vote at election time?

Given the times we're in, these issues and candidates are being positioned to put our Godly principals at enmity with the Republican party, (the party leadership being largely responsible), allowing the Democrats, who's personal values are humanistic and that willingly tolerate depravity, to succeed.

Maybe they are sick of self-righteous people like Mr. Craig, Mr. Vitter, and Mr. Stevens pounding the podium to proclaim marriage between a man and a woman, fidelity in marriage, and honesty in government, then turning right around and doing the opposite.

It does get tiresome. We live in extremely interesting times.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

 

[saturneptune]

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

That is a great verse. If it makes any difference, I believe the election of Hillary Clinton will make this country and its values unrecognizable at the end of her term.

I agree with you to this extent about the Republicans. There is a hint of morality and difference from Democrats in some of the candidates. I would put Huckabee, Brownbeck, Thompson, Paul and Tencredo in that camp. Except for Thompson, they have no chance at the nomination. I am still hoping for someone to enter that Christians can get serious about, get out and vote, and beat the Democrats.

 

[Ps104_33]

For what its worth, John Hagee, (who I dont agree with doctinally) was on Alan Colmes radio show and said that while Giulliani isnt his personal choice for the nomination, he would take him over Clinton.
Maybe what conservatives need is a wake-up call on the part of four years of Hillary Clinton. Lets watch these liars and thieves in action for four years. Lets see how they handle the Islamic threat. Lets see how they would handle climatic catastrophes and infrastructure devastation. Maybe when everyone looks at their paycheck and sees an enormous chunk coming out to pay for a socialist healthcare system then maybe we will see a conservative revival in this country.
Hillary Clinton WILL be our next president. Why? Because Christians and other narrow-minded conservatives will sit out the next election because of their constricted ideology and self-centered opinions.

 

[just-want-peace]

I am still hoping for someone to enter that Christians can get serious about, get out and vote, and beat the Democrats.

Boy, I can sure agree with you on this. I ain't holding my breath though.

Hillary Clinton WILL be our next president. Why? Because Christians and other narrow-minded conservatives will sit out the next election because of their constricted ideology and self-centered opinions.

This comment just points out a fact I have espoused on another BB; namely that it is ALWAYS the conservative who has to cede his values to keep from:
1 electing a D
2 splitting the party
3 pushing the hispanic vote to the Ds
4 etc., etc., etc.

If there is ANY doubt as to the truth of this statement, just compare the difference in the morals, manners, business ethics, public attitude toward Christianity, just to name a few areas, in today's society as opposed to 1950.

I have no idea as to whether I'm in the majority or minority, but I for one am sick and tired of having to constantly yield my standards to "keep harmony" or else be blamed for the political fallout.

Will I stay home next election? I seriously doubt it, BUT should God guide me otherwise, then yes, I just might; or I might vote 3rd party even though I know it will be meaningless. At least I can defend my vote to God.

Oh, and don't blame me then if a D gets in; blame the Rs for leaving the conservative base and becoming D lite!

The popular scenario is that the conservatives should compromise and move to the center to help the Rs amass more voters. Kinda hard when the "CENTER" is moving left more & more with each election. The "CENTER" of the R party is left of what the Ds were in '50.

MARA NATHA!!!!

 

[KenH]

I might vote 3rd party even though I know it will be meaningless

The only meaningless vote is the one that is not cast.

 

[hillclimber1]

A problem I see is that the Rep. party was resurrected in the early 90's with the evangelicals organizing into a political coalition. They were extremely effective in wresting congress out of the stranglehold the Dems had on it. But the powers that are running the GOP are distancing themselves and the party form the Christian right that put them there. I'm pessimistic about them regaining their senses before it's too late.

 

[hillclimber1]

The only meaningless vote is the one that is not cast.

As you walk away from the booth, do you say, "there, I've done my duty'? Or do you not know that you could have voted against a socialist/communist and for one that wasn't? You are helping elect hillary, who hates righteousness, in almost any case, and I think she hates dogs too. :laugh:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The way Ken looks forward, with glee, to Hillary's presidency, I doubt he's voting for Ron Paul.

 

[hillclimber1]

I find it amusing how you link one's commitment to Christ with YOUR political views.

I don't see a problem with my views, naturally. Since you do that's your problem.

It is not surprising to see some of these so-called "leaders" dumping the GOP. They are beginning to see that this administration, and the GOP in general, are not conservative, and that they have been playing the Religious Right for their own political gain.

Playing the religious right?
Exerting our wills from a Christian perspective is necessary, or this country goes down quickly. I don't pretend that we'll (The Christian community) ultimately win this struggle, but struggle we must, as it is our duty to provide a social order that promotes Christian principals in order to attract unbelievers to Christ. To allow Hillary to win virtually unopposed, as many will do with their votes is unconscionable to me.

 

[KenH]

The way Ken looks forward, with glee, to Hillary's presidency, I doubt he's voting for Ron Paul.

Yes, I will be voting for Ron Paul in the February 5 GOP primary.

In the general election I imagine that I will be voting for the Libertarian Party candidate unless the GOP nominates Fred Thompson and he rejects Bush's foreign adventurism and profligate spending.

 

[KenH]

As you walk away from the booth, do you say, "there, I've done my duty'?

Yes, I do.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Some of the top leaders in Christian pro-family activism – including James Dobson of Focus on the Family – met in Salt Lake City yesterday to plot a strategy if Rudy Giuliani or another supporter of legalized abortion is nominated by the Republican Party as its presidential candidate.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

I would be delighted if the so-called Christian Right would stop attempting to speak for me in Washington.

 

[Ps104_33]

If you dont vote for Giuliani, you are voting for Clinton. Period.

 

[hillclimber1]

Will I stay home next election? I seriously doubt it, BUT should God guide me otherwise, then yes, I just might; or I might vote 3rd party even though I know it will be meaningless. At least I can defend my vote to God.

That right there is my dilemma. I wonder that the Lord may ask why I tossed my vote to a third party, (certainly not a saint) instead of to the Republican nominee, (also not a saint) to fight against an avowed liberal. (less saintly than either other.)

OK its the age old "lessor of evils" dilemma, but it always is.