Christian Nationalism

[nggator]

Does the SBC back the tenets of Project 2025? Please list several reasons. I’m a member of an SBC church, but really don’t understand Christian Nationalism‘s end game.

 

[Ben1445]

Does the SBC back the tenets of Project 2025? Please list several reasons. I’m a member of an SBC church, but really don’t understand Christian Nationalism‘s end game.

What is Christian Nationalism?

 

[Ben1445]

Let me say it this way…

Since there is no organization that is the Christian Nationalist Organization, or something like that, who are you asking about? How is anyone supposed to answer for an arbitrarily vague group of people?

 

[Ben1445]

also, what are the tenets of Project 2025 that are concerning to you?
I haven’t read it yet, (well, I got to page 4 of 900+ pages. Yeah, I quit reading before the table of contents)

I am just curious about how much of it you have read and why you don’t seem to like it.

 

[Ben1445]

If you’re serious, I will put some time into it. I don’t mean I’ll get through all 900 pages any time soon but I’ll give it a genuine page flip peruse.
But first I’ll tell you that I’m not Southern Baptist, so anything I say is completely my own personal opinion and shouldn’t be taken as an answer for the SBC in any way.

 

[DaveXR650]

I’m a member of an SBC church, but really don’t understand Christian Nationalism‘s end game.

You have no chance of understanding any "end game" if you don't know what it is. Here is a good place to start:

They are going to call us Christian nationalists - AlbertMohler.com

Cultural commentary from a Biblical perspective Are you a Christian nationalist? If you are a conservative evangelical Christian in America today, the self-appointed guardians of secular America are

albertmohler.com

Al Mohler is a Southern Baptist and I listen to his daily podcast and highly respect him. I think he is very accurate in his article. I don't know what Project 2025 is so I can't help you there.

 

[DaveXR650]

A more structured and detailed explanation, which I also think is well done and accurate is here:

FAQs on Christian Nationalism | Blog & Mablog

Sharing Options 1. What is Christian Nationalism? Christian Nationalism is the view that secularism is a hollow construct, now plainly revealed to be bankrupt. Additionally, CN is the belief that human societies require a transcendent anchor to hold everything together, and that this...

dougwils.com

Frankly, I'm a little bit suspect of a poster who is a site supporter and had been on here for almost 10 years and has never posted on any subject until now.

 

[nggator]

A more structured and detailed explanation, which I also think is well done and accurate is here:

FAQs on Christian Nationalism | Blog & Mablog

Sharing Options 1. What is Christian Nationalism? Christian Nationalism is the view that secularism is a hollow construct, now plainly revealed to be bankrupt. Additionally, CN is the belief that human societies require a transcendent anchor to hold everything together, and that this...

dougwils.com

Frankly, I'm a little bit suspect of a poster who is a site supporter and had been on here for almost 10 years and has never posted on any subject until now.

One doesn’t have to post previously to ask a question now. Just trying to understand.
It does seem to me that if one is a Baptist and has no clue about Christian Nationalism and Project 2025, then there is some type of disconnect. Now I do not have a one sentence definition of either, but I have studied enough to understand the thought that the US is to be a Christian nation only and another is basically suppression of women’s rights. Just 2 controversial points.
Now if I’m going to get hammered over this, it’s goodnight for me. (By the way, this might be why I don’t post).

 

[Van]

One doesn’t have to post previously to ask a question now. Just trying to understand.
It does seem to me that if one is a Baptist and has no clue about Christian Nationalism and Project 2025, then there is some type of disconnect. Now I do not have a one sentence definition of either, but I have studied enough to understand the thought that the US is to be a Christian nation only and another is basically suppression of women’s rights. Just 2 controversial points.
Now if I’m going to get hammered over this, it’s goodnight for me. (By the way, this might be why I don’t post).

Sorry you believe you were being personally disparaged. Welcome to my world.

Many of us see through a glass darkly, we are right or close to right on some biblical doctrines, but may miss the mark on others.

Perhaps you could post two or three objectionable tenets of Project 2025, quoting the document, and then we could discuss whether they are well supported in scripture?

 

[DaveXR650]

One doesn’t have to post previously to ask a question now. Just trying to understand.
It does seem to me that if one is a Baptist and has no clue about Christian Nationalism and Project 2025, then there is some type of disconnect.

I guess Project 2025 is from the Heritage Foundation. I googled it. That's how I know. I am somewhat familiar with the Heritage Foundation. It's a think tank, for the most part classic conservative and pro business, along the lines of National Review, if you are familiar with that. I would think that the Heritage Foundation and conservative Baptists, whether Southern Baptist Convention members or not, would be fellow travelers for the most part when it comes to politics. But I don't think the Southern Baptist Convention had anything to do with the development of the document directly.

 

[xlsdraw]

Sounds to me like it might match up to Laodicean doctrine. I certainly don't find it to resemble the Philadelphia church nor adhere to Pre-trib doctrine, which much of the SBC used to be.

I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

 

[Ben1445]

One doesn’t have to post previously to ask a question now. Just trying to understand.
It does seem to me that if one is a Baptist and has no clue about Christian Nationalism and Project 2025, then there is some type of disconnect. Now I do not have a one sentence definition of either, but I have studied enough to understand the thought that the US is to be a Christian nation only and another is basically suppression of women’s rights. Just 2 controversial points.
Now if I’m going to get hammered over this, it’s goodnight for me. (By the way, this might be why I don’t post).

being a nation governed by principles of biblical origin is commendable. I would hope you think so also.
As far as suppression of women’s rights, where do they say that they are taking away, or suppressing women’s rights?
Again I ask where do they say it or even how do they do it, not who says it about them or thinks it about them?

 

[Ben1445]

This seems to have a bit of relevance.
Here is a “pastor” who had to go to Congress to figure out about the Bible.

I don’t know anything about the commentary giver. I just ran across this. Some good points in there.

 

[DaveXR650]

This seems to have a bit of relevance.
Here is a “pastor” who had to go to Congress to figure out about the Bible.

I don’t know anything about the commentary giver. I just ran across this. Some good points in there.

Todd Friel's a good guy. In general, what I find in these discussions is illustrated by listening to the above two things I put up earlier, where you have top unabashed pro-Christian Nationalists speaking, and then go listen to David French, who is against it but does a good job of giving definitions. Bottom line is that no one really can define it and for good reason. There are so many ideas of what it is that using it as a label is useless. Except for one area. That is, if you can create enough of a visceral abhorrence in folks every time the term is mentioned then it has tremendous value in that you can damage anyone who you either want to apply the term to - or even better, it they embrace the term, even though what they mean is nothing like the image you have created.

You can sense this in the OP. He obviously lacks knowledge of Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation, and their relationship to the SBC, yet assumes he's is getting "hammered" and finds it unbelievable that a Baptist would not be familiar with Christian Nationalism, even though no one seems to be able to define it. Now he gets it honest. Google "Project 2025" yourself and read what some of the organizations say about it. You would think it is a revised version of Mein Kampf.