Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armegeddon?

[church mouse guy]

Your link has glossed over the facts. Here is the Jewish point of view: "The British response to Jewish immigration set a precedent of appeasing the Arabs, which was followed for the duration of the Mandate. The British placed restrictions on Jewish immigration while allowing Arabs to enter the country freely. Apparently, London did not feel that a flood of Arab immigrants would affect the country's absorptive capacity."

web page--Please click here for Jewish Virtual Library's Myths about Israeli history

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Here is the Jewish point of view

I'm more interested in the facts than in any one side's point of view.

 

[LadyEagle]

There can never be any right of return or else you will have 10 million people living in Gaza--for no good reason.

Oh, there's a reason all right, but it isn't a good one.

All the Jews that came out and/or were driven from Arab lands were never paid for their property or belongings. The Arabs took it all.

I'm more interested in the facts than in any one side's point of view.

I doubt that, because you have been presented with facts over and over again.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
1)All the Jews that came out and/or were driven from Arab lands were never paid for their property or belongings.

2)I doubt that, because you have been presented with facts over and over again.

1)Well, complain to the Roman Empire about what took place in 70 A.D. But since it no longer exists, that might be a tad hard for anyone to do.

2)You have presented the Christian Zionist point of view that I reject as being an unreasonable worldview. I think that my worldview is much more in line with reality, and the Bible, than yours.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Hmmmmm.....

Being a pre-tribber, and knowing a little about what Revelation, Ezekiel, & Daniel tell us about the end times, and believing it, I guess I come pretty close to having this disease you talk about.

It is not that I support Israel right or wrong, but I see them as victors in the end, and I believe that removing our support means buh-bye to the U.S.A.

I see all what's happening as God's way of calling Israel back to him. When it happens, when Israel repents, hallelujah!!!!!

The condensed, Bro. Curtis prophecy lesson. I know a lot disagree, but that's how I see it. PA & Israel will never peacefully co-exist for more than say, about 3.5 years.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Bro. Curtis,

Neither Ken or I are endorsing removing our support for Israel. Go back and actually read what we have said.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I read all what you said, Joseph, and am opining my view. I never accused you or Ken of anything. Sheesh!!!!

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
and I believe that removing our support means buh-bye to the U.S.A.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Yup. That's what I believe. Now where do I accuse you of anything ?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

It would seem that unless you are saying that we are endorsing such, that your statement is irrelevant to the thread. Perhaps, you could clarify the purpose for even mentioning this.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Allready did. I am opining. Saying I could possibly be called a Christian Zionist, or whatever. I can still do that, right ?

Thanx for the pleasant discourse, Joseph. I'll return you to your thread.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Bro. Curtis,

You're welcome.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[LadyEagle]

Good grief, Joseph, how can you, of Jewish ancestry, NOT be a Zionist. Or are you confused like that lefty Alan Dershowitz and that other Jewish lefty traitor Atty. Stanley Cohen, defender of Hamas?

You really think it is okay and cool to turn Jerusalem over to terrorist thugs? That's what happened to Bethlehem.

For a Christian of Jewish ancestry, it seems you want to play by terrorist Muslim rules. Sad.

 

[LadyEagle]

As far as the OP, Christian Zionism has nothing to do with whether or not there is a road to Armageddon. Someone doesn't know much about either Christian Zionism OR Armageddon to pose that question.

IOW, Armageddon is a future fact, according to the Biblios. Whether Christian Zionists are around then or not.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LadyEagle:
1)All the Jews that came out and/or were driven from Arab lands were never paid for their property or belongings.

1)Well, complain to the Roman Empire about what took place in 70 A.D. But since it no longer exists, that might be a tad hard for anyone to do.

</font>[/QUOTE]I wasn't posting about the Romans. I was posting about the ethnic cleansing of Jews in Muslim countries that took place, for the record, you know, back when the deal was that Jews were to get out of Arab lands and the so-called Palestinians (Arabs) should go back to Muslim lands but they didn't go. They continued squatting in Palestine because Arab countries didn't want them. Now, why do you suppose that is?

But, anyway, nice straw man try, though. That dog won't hunt.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Armageddon is a future fact

But since the book of Revelation is a book of symbolic language, interpretation of the symbolic language counts for a great deal. And on that score Christian Zionism isn't just a dog that won't hunt, it isn't even a dog.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Good grief, Joseph, how can you, of Jewish ancestry, NOT be a Zionist. Or are you confused like that lefty Alan Dershowitz and that other Jewish lefty traitor Atty. Stanley Cohen, defender of Hamas?

You really think it is okay and cool to turn Jerusalem over to terrorist thugs? That's what happened to Bethlehem.

For a Christian of Jewish ancestry, it seems you want to play by terrorist Muslim rules. Sad.

LE,

&lt;personal attack snipped - LE, Moderator&gt;

I have never endorsed turning anything over to terrorists. BTW, Dershowitz and Sharansky understand the situation far better than you ever could because they don't look at it through some great Pre-mill masterplan that ultimately leads to the final solution for all Jews.

I am a Zionist in that I support Israel for political and moral reasons. But, not for religious reasons. At the same time, I also am for the Palestinians having their own state once they have instituted democratic and human rights reforms and rejected the terrorists.

Joseph Botwinick

[ January 16, 2005, 11:07 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Also,

I note that you never did answer my question from the other thread, so I will re-state it here: What do you think should be done with the Palestinian Christians in Israel? Should they relocate to another Muslim state? Should they not have an opportunity to live in a free, democratic nation?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[LadyEagle]

Should they not have an opportunity to live in a free, democratic nation?

Yes they should. But a Palestinian state would not be a free, democratic nation - it would be a Muslim nation and may even be under sharia law.

So your two-state solution does not pose any protection for Christians living in the wannabe nation of Palestine.

Just as your support of the creation of a Muslim nation of Iraq by the US does not pose any protection for Assyrian Christians.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Good grief, Joseph, how can you, of Jewish ancestry, NOT be a Zionist. Or are you confused like that lefty Alan Dershowitz and that other Jewish lefty traitor Atty. Stanley Cohen, defender of Hamas?

You really think it is okay and cool to turn Jerusalem over to terrorist thugs? That's what happened to Bethlehem.

For a Christian of Jewish ancestry, it seems you want to play by terrorist Muslim rules. Sad.

LE,

&lt;personal attack snipped - LE, Moderator&gt;
</font>[/QUOTE]That is fine. I will take up this issue with the other moderators and administrators because you are not being honest in your discussion about me.

Joseph Botwinick