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popsthebuilder

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McCree79 said:
Sura 5:75 "Christ, the Son of Mary, Was NO MORE THAN A MESSENGER; many messengers were before him...." Sura 5 seems to downplay the person of Christ. Seems to call him just another Isaiah or Daniel.
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The fact of the matter is this;
We, as truely faithful are not to divide in hatred, no matter what.

All ancient texts of religions are but man's interpretation of what they knew was right in there soul. This knowledge is Universal. All men have always been distorted by inherent evil but One. To divide is part of that evil that even the most faithful still has even though they have Indeed brought it low in themselves. Pride is to Lord only. Even Christ states this. To not unify is the work of the opposite direction.

Thank you. I will try to actually respond to posts later.

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popsthebuilder said:
The fact of the matter is this;
We, as truely faithful are not to divide in hatred, no matter what.
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This is the flaw in your reasoning, pop. It is not the "truely [sic] faithful" but the object of that faith that makes the difference. What you present is not Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. I am not sure what faith you actually hold, but if your comments here are an indication of your own held faith, then you seem rather confused as you are constructing a god of your own making and in your own image (one that meets your ultimate goals). If you are genuinely describing your religious views, then you are making a god of your own image (one reflective of your own ideologies). This is called humanism. It is, BTW, interesting and we can talk honestly of these views if you would like, but it is not Christianity.
 
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If it is the object of the Faith, and that object is the loving, providing, all encompassing, all composing God that is in all text which in themselves are the same, essentially, then where is my folly?

Not in my image. It is I who am is in his image.

I would really resent what you said if I wasn't sure of my direction.

Thank you.

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JonC

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popsthebuilder said:
If it is the object of the Faith, and that object is the loving, providing, all encompassing, all composing God that is in all text which in themselves are the same, essentially, then where is my folly?

Not in my image. It is I who am is in his image.

I would really resent what you said if I wasn't sure of my direction.

Thank you.

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I don't mean to produce resentment. That is why I said "if" your inquiries were an indicator of your held faith. Your folly is in the conclusion that the similarities between those texts are actual common ground. Just like the divide we spoke of earlier: the Hebrew religion shared much with ANE religion and thought - but what divided them was their differences. The difference was God's revelation. They could not come together because what was similar was not actually common ground. It is the same with your folly here. What you are left with is less than Christian, less than Judiasm, and less than Islam.


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JonC said:
I don't mean to produce resentment. That is why I said "if" your inquiries were an indicator of your held faith. Your folly is in the conclusion that the similarities between those texts are actual common ground. Just like the divide we spoke of earlier: the Hebrew religion shared much with ANE religion and thought - but what divided them was their differences. The difference was God's revelation. They could not come together because what was similar was not actually common ground. It is the same with your folly here. What you are left with is less than Christian, less than Judiasm, and less than Islam.


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Addition, by default can only lead to a greater sum than it's parts unless said parts or more negative than positive.

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popsthebuilder said:
Addition, by default can only lead to a greater sum than it's parts unless said parts or more negative than positive.

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You don't understand. The truth is not in its similarities but in its differences. Additions that take away from truth do not lead to a greater sum than its parts, but they corrupt the whole ( a little leaven.... ). Personally, I do not think that these truths escape your grasp as much as you have chosen a "different" well worn path of your own.
 
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Well worn? I assure you my path is new to most including myself. There indeed is no path that I walk that hasn't been cleared before me. And not by mere men with there fogged glasses.

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Pops - I'm hoping 3rd time's the charm.

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Fundamental misunderstanding. God sent Himself, in the form of a man, called Jesus. The Torah denies the divinity of Christ, thus missing the point that Jesus made all because Jesus and God are the same.
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popsthebuilder said:
Well worn? I assure you my path is new to most including myself. There indeed is no path that I walk that hasn't been cleared before me. And not by mere men with there fogged glasses.

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Your "path" may new in terms of its uniqueness of content, I'll give you that. That is one obvious indicator that it is flawed. Buy the path leading you to your religion is very well worn. ."

If your comments on this forum are representative of what you believe, then it can not be called "Christian" any more than it can be called "Islamic." You are doing what the world has always done throughout history - en masse. Your "faith" may be uniquely expressive of you own ideologies, but your religion itself is sadly common. You are like a child, proudly holding up a finger painting of your own creation without ever realizing that thousands of children around the world are doing exactly the same. Just because you prefer walking alongside in the weeds does not mean the path itself is not broad and well traveled.
 
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JonC,

So your saying that following currupt society is the way?

Common? Love that contradiction. I look to unify under God as he has, and continues to guide me. If I meet others that find my views strike a true cord of harmony with all creation, and withen themselves then awesome, that's the point. Not negativity.
I have walked my own path through my remembered existence. It has lead me to the Lord. Ridicule, hate, attempt to derail my path to the Lord. It says you will in the very book you hold so dear. I want not, nor fear not with the Lord as my true savior and guide.

Thanks.


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JonC

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popsthebuilder said:
JonC,

So your saying that following currupt society is the way?
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No. I am saying that God revealed himself to the Hebrews in such a way as to set them apart from the surrounding ANE religion. I am saying that God made a covenant with Abraham, and only within this covenant would redemption be found. I am saying that at the appropriate time, God himself paved the way for man to be redeemed. And I am saying that the fullest revelation of God is found in this Redeemer, Jesus Christ. That is the only way - not society. The world is already condemned. Your ideological religion is in stark opposition to what God has revealed not only of himself but of redemption. I have no doubt that your path will lead you to your lord. All paths do.
 
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popsthebuilder said:
JonC,

So your saying that following currupt society is the way?

Common? Love that contradiction. I look to unify under God as he has, and continues to guide me. If I meet others that find my views strike a true cord of harmony with all creation, and withen themselves then awesome, that's the point. Not negativity.
I have walked my own path through my remembered existence. It has lead me to the Lord. Ridicule, hate, attempt to derail my path to the Lord. It says you will in the very book you hold so dear. I want not, nor fear not with the Lord as my true savior and guide.

Thanks.


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Explain how the Lord is your Savior. Who is your Lord? What has he done to save you? What have you done to be saved? What were you saved from? What is your "path to the Lord"? Is it your path or another's path? How did you find this path?
 
McCree79

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JonC said:
. I have no doubt that your path will lead you to your lord. All paths do.
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......but......[emoji4]

I like how you ended that. Yes.....all paths do lead to the Lord..... Some have more favorable results when you get there....but yes they lead to Him. That made me laugh.
 
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