Christianity & Islam

[Jordan Kurecki]

I'm new here. I hope everyone is doing well. I am not here to offend in any way. Really quite the opposite. I only have one or two questions.

1) Why do you think Christians, and Islam can not unify under God? Why do they hold some contempt towards one another when ancient texts tell us that we are all believers, and all faithful in the Lord are brothers?

2) What steps could be taken in order to bring all together under the one all encompassing Lord, our God?

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

Jehovah and Allah are not the same being:

He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, The Eternal, Absolute-, He begetteth not, Nor is He Begotten; And there is none like unto Him. S. 112: 1-4

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Allah does not begetteth, but Jehovah begat Jesus Christ.

So obviously Jehovah and Allah are different in their nature.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

 

[popsthebuilder]

I was in a really bad place internally. I was literally about to end someone's life. In doing so I would have really destroyed at least three lives. Long story short; while I was in this damning place prior to damning actions the Lord found me. He lifted all of my burdens. He showed me that through all my years of deatruction and disbelief he had been there patiently waiting. He showed me that regardless of my blind disbelief, he had actually plotted my entire life. He showed me memories that I had long lost. For each he proved that all was his intention for his purpose regarding my existence. I wept and laughed histerically throughout the entire epiphany. All anger, sorrow, and pain was taken from me. All this was while I was driving. Before it happened the radio faded out. I adjusted the volume and tuning to no effect. When it was over the radio faded back in. I was driving! Since that day I have felt the urge to spread the word. I has taken me about five years to finally start putting the word out there for others.

My god is the God there is no who. There is but one. It is God. You could call it Jesus and be right. You could call it Allah and be right. You could call it existence and be right. You could call it the creator/ creation and still be right. This is the dawn of a new age of purity and understanding through God. Division is all but over.

He literally saved me as briefly described above. He guides me in most that I do. He leads me. His intervention was and is miraculous.

I was saved from the nameless evil that is in us all. I was saved from myself. He saved the mother of my child and my son through my salvation as she would have been lifeless that evening.

The path to the Lord is truth throughout, Faith, charity and selflessness. I found this path over time I guess. It started with truthful, selfless prayer regardless of my life's position, from there it grew into acting accordingly. Private, audibly voiced prayer is key, and is what keeps me on my path along with honesty, and Faith. Without prayer or repeated reminder and praise to the Lord I would surely falter. I still sin. Pretty sure we all do. But through aware conciois thought of all my actions I am able to be guided im the direction that I know is true. Sometimes this is through retrospect. Eve. Hindsight is better than no sight though.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[popsthebuilder]

Jehovah and Allah are not the same being:

He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, The Eternal, Absolute-, He begetteth not, Nor is He Begotten; And there is none like unto Him. S. 112: 1-4

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Allah does not begetteth, but Jehovah begat Jesus Christ.

So obviously Jehovah and Allah are different in their nature.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

No. Yah is God is Allah. All the same and from the same text. The Torah.

God is still the one God regardless of what you call it.

Division and segregation of religions based on the one Lord is the work of evil.

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[McCree79]

I was in a really bad place internally. I was literally about to end someone's life. In doing so I would have really destroyed at least three lives. Long story short; while I was in this damning place prior to damning actions the Lord found me. He lifted all of my burdens. He showed me that through all my years of deatruction and disbelief he had been there patiently waiting. He showed me that regardless of my blind disbelief, he had actually plotted my entire life. He showed me memories that I had long lost. For each he proved that all was his intention for his purpose regarding my existence. I wept and laughed histerically throughout the entire epiphany. All anger, sorrow, and pain was taken from me. All this was while I was driving. Before it happened the radio faded out. I adjusted the volume and tuning to no effect. When it was over the radio faded back in. I was driving! Since that day I have felt the urge to spread the word. I has taken me about five years to finally start putting the word out there for others.

My god is the God there is no who. There is but one. It is God. You could call it Jesus and be right. You could call it Allah and be right. You could call it existence and be right. You could call it the creator/ creation and still be right. This is the dawn of a new age of purity and understanding through God. Division is all but over.

He literally saved me as briefly described above. He guides me in most that I do. He leads me. His intervention was and is miraculous.

I was saved from the nameless evil that is in us all. I was saved from myself. He saved the mother of my child and my son through my salvation as she would have been lifeless that evening.

The path to the Lord is truth throughout, Faith, charity and selflessness. I found this path over time I guess. It started with truthful, selfless prayer regardless of my life's position, from there it grew into acting accordingly. Private, audibly voiced prayer is key, and is what keeps me on my path along with honesty, and Faith. Without prayer or repeated reminder and praise to the Lord I would surely falter. I still sin. Pretty sure we all do. But through aware conciois thought of all my actions I am able to be guided im the direction that I know is true. Sometimes this is through retrospect. Eve. Hindsight is better than no sight though.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

Have you visited any churches since this event took place?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Have you visited any churches since this event took place?

Once.

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[popsthebuilder]

Maybe twice

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[McCree79]

Maybe twice

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How did that go? What type(denomination) of church was it?

 

[Don]

No. Yah is God is Allah. All the same and from the same text. The Torah.

God is still the one God regardless of what you call it.

Division and segregation of religions based on the one Lord is the work of evil.

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You say that; but in two of those, they deny that Jesus is God. If Jesus is God--and you've stated this yourself--then those two cannot be worshipping the same God as the third.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Simply not true.

Jesus was sent as a perfect example.

To worship him in human form while denying his creator and the creator of all is missleading. Unfortinately, this intentional misdirection and division is from a very powerful manipulative force.
Other religions do not deny Jesus. They are aware of the misdirection of the RCC and many subsequent divisions of Christianity. In not one text does it say to divide belief based on anything. It says that true believers are brothers.

How do we conviniently overlook the obvious?

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[Don]

Simply not true.

Jesus was sent as a perfect example.

To worship him in human form while denying his creator and the creator of all is missleading. Unfortinately, this intentional misdirection and division is from a very powerful manipulative force.
Other religions do not deny Jesus. They are aware of the misdirection of the RCC and many subsequent divisions of Christianity. In not one text does it say to divide belief based on anything. It says that true believers are brothers.

How do we conviniently overlook the obvious?

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So you do deny that Jesus is God in the flesh?

 

[popsthebuilder]

The texts could definitely be interpreted that way. Christ is God.
Any deviation from that is needless except for the purpose of division of the faithful.

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[Don]

The texts could definitely be interpreted that way. Christ is God.
Any deviation from that is needless except for the purpose of division of the faithful.

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Christ is God. Worshipping Christ is worshipping God. Denying the divinity of Christ is denying God. THAT is the cause of division.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Christ is God. Worshipping Christ is worshipping God. Denying the divinity of Christ is denying God. THAT is the cause of division.

No. Dividing Christ from God is the problem. Christ is literally God due to the fact that he returned to God upon death.

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[JonC]

This is a very worn path, friend. It has been presented, rehashed, denied, reborn….over and over again throughout history. I do, actually, believe your “new age” will dawn, but ultimately not to your expectation. Scripture has warned about such doctrines for centuries (as I said, you are on a very old path).

My god is the God there is no who. There is but one. It is God. You could call it Jesus and be right. You could call it Allah and be right. You could call it existence and be right. You could call it the creator/ creation and still be right. This is the dawn of a new age of purity and understanding through God. Division is all but over.

Luke 12:51-53 "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. "They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Matthew 10:34-36 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.

You are not speaking of the God of the Bible. If you believe Him a false god, then please just say so and tell us your religion on its own merit. But don’t be so naive as to think, or so condescending to purpose, that each religion has but a portion of a greater truth. Maybe God of Israel, the God of the Bible, is not the kind of god you wish to worship. I can understand that. But at least be honest about what you are doing.

Christ is literally God due to the fact that he returned to God upon death.

Again, to reiterate, why would you even concern yourself with these matters? You seem to incorporate Christ, Christianity, the God of Israel, and the Bible into your “faith,” but you deny all of them in so doing. Why not just come out and say that you are forming your own faith around your experiences and expectations (as thousands upon thousands have done before) and just leave it at that? I think that you will find that division is far from over. Division is central to Torah, to the OT as a whole, and to the NT. The purpose of salvation is division, it is setting aside a people for the glory of God.

 

[popsthebuilder]

JonC,

There is a great battle that will insue. No doubt. Evidently, the 2 versus the 3 is in reference to RRC and resulting Christianity and the other believers
Judaism, Islam, and one more that I am not sure of. My mission is to bring as many together under God to minimalize suffering.

I speak only of the one God. To refute my words that have literally been instilled in me by God will eventually prove quite damning. All praise is for God and God alone.

I don't wish to worship anything. It is my path that has been shown to me. Who am I to deny the Lord. Do I willfully speak blasphemy as if I long for aquantence with hell once more? No.
My expectations are irelevent. The Lord guides me. Only his want is paramount.

The only division due to salvation is that of faithfull and the nonbelieving.

Thanks again.




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[JonC]

The only division due to salvation is that of faithfull and the nonbelieving.

Faith and belief in Whom? If Christ, then I agree with the statement above. If the god of Islam, or even the Christ-less faith of Judaism, then God's own revelation proves your words void of truth. There is a division between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity - and it is one of God's own making. You see, it is not a cognitive issue (as James points, even demons believe and that belief produces a response).

The only way that we can know God is through Jesus Christ who has eternally been God (remember our brief mention of λόγος in John). To say that Jesus began with his birth denies Christianity and Christ. I do not doubt that your "path has been shown to you," I'm just not completely sure by whom it was shown. We are told to "weigh" doctrine, and on the scales of Truth, I fear yours may come in a bit short. Belief in and of itself is not enough. Mormons believe in a god over this world and gods to come, that does not mean they believe in the One True God.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Faith and belief in Whom? If Christ, then I agree with the statement above. If the god of Islam, or even the Christ-less faith of Judaism, then God's own revelation proves your words void of truth. There is a division between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity - and it is one of God's own making. You see, it is not a cognitive issue (as James points, even demons believe and that belief produces a response).

The only way that we can know God is through Jesus Christ who has eternally been God (remember our brief mention of λόγος in John). To say that Jesus began with his birth denies Christianity and Christ. I do not doubt that your "path has been shown to you," I'm just not completely sure by whom it was shown. We are told to "weigh" doctrine, and on the scales of Truth, I fear yours may come in a bit short. Belief in and of itself is not enough. Mormons believe in a god over this world and gods to come, that does not mean they believe in the One True God.

If Christ is God and God is God then where is the folly?

An atheist just pointed out a good point to me.

If you follow the golden rule then you are without fault in God's eyes. Technically, the use of religion in a traditional sense is almost pointless if you do right by yourself and creation. Of course this is an atheistic grasp of the golden rule, but a grasp that divided religions often fail to see.

To assume that God is a demon because it is all good in existence is absurd. To assume that I have been saved and directed by a demon is nonsense, as I am selfless and my intentions are pure, the opposite of evil or demonic or manipulative, or selfish.

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[popsthebuilder]

Mormons believe in the bible. Just another example of division due to interpretation of translated texts.

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[JonC]

If Christ is God and God is God then where is the folly?

An atheist just pointed out a good point to me.

If you follow the golden rule then you are without fault in God's eyes.

You think that if you do unto others as you would have them do unto you that you are without fault in God's eyes? I do know some people that believe this. I have a Catholic friend who believes that if you are a generally good person and genuinely care for other people that you are OK with God. Christ, for people like this, is nothing but an example of how to live. But Christ, of course, denounced this belief. He did not settle on "following the golden rule." I am sure, however, that your atheistic friend is a nice guy. I wish that being nice guys and following the golden rule made us just in God's eyes....but that would be hijacking God's redemptive purpose and putting it squarely centered on man....would it not?

 

[JonC]

Mormons believe in the bible. Just another example of division due to interpretation of translated texts.

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Atheists believe in the Bible as well. They all know it exists, some even find merit in its teachings. So what? It had nothing to do with interpretation of translated texts. It has everything to do with acceptance and the grounds upon which it is accepted.

Have you not had time to think this through, or are you simply unfamiliar with Christianity?