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Christians disagree on myriad of secondary doctrines.

Dave G

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Romans 8:23, And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Yes, I agree that as a believer, I groan within myself, waiting for my Saviour to give me a new body...so that I will never sin against Him again.
But that wasn't the subject of my question.

My question was, do you truly believe that God's people can never come to a complete knowledge of whether or not a doctrine or set of doctrines is true?

You seem to be saying that there are many "beliefs" that are encompassed by "the faith" that Paul, Jude and others of the Lord's apostles wrote about...
That groups of people who profess Christ, especially those who perpetually differ with each other ( at times radically and even stubbornly holding to those errors ) doctrinally, can all be saved and indwelt by the Holy Spirit...who acts as both Comforter and Teacher.

Am I correct in my observation?

If so, then I'm sorry... but we will have agree to disagree with each other on this.
I've heard this sort of thing taught even from pulpits for most of my life, and cannot find it anywhere in the Scriptures.

Rather, I clearly see that God is pleased, in bestowing the gift of His Spirit to His people, so that they might know the things that are freely given to them...those "things" ( truths and promises ) that men like Paul spoke of ( 1 Corinthians 2 ).
 
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Dave G

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Fortunately, the requirement for salvation is not a completely correct doctrinal theology, but simply trusting in a Savior that has the wisdom we lack.
Even the fool can come to him, lacking nothing.
Unfortunately for many, the Lord Jesus on Judgement Day will tell people who thought that they had "met the requirements", that He never knew them.

While I agree that God's elect do not enjoy a complete doctrinal understanding for some time after they are called into the fellowship of the saints, it can and does come in time and with study.

Mankind is forever searching for that which is contained in our Sovereign God.
I agree, and it saddens me when I read passages like this:

" This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was."
( 2 Timothy 3:1-9 )

But as sad as it makes me, I know from the Scriptures that for many this is and will be true, sir.
They will forever be searching for God, and will never find Him. :(
 
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Guvnuh

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As usual, it trails off onto the C/A Highway.
I thought it would be more about dipped or dunked, pianos or organs, Lord’s Supper every Sunday or once a month, once a quarter, Psalm Singing or Sacred Hymns?………in worship service everybody use the same translation, or is it worship service or preaching service? Dispensationalist or HistoricPre-mil, postmil or amil?
 

kyredneck

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Fortunately, the requirement for salvation is not a completely correct doctrinal theology, but simply trusting in a Savior that has the wisdom we lack.
Even the fool can come to him, lacking nothing.

@HankD on 'easy believism':
"Believing on Jesus Christ is the easiest thing I've ever done".
 

Paul from Antioch

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Christians disagree on myriad of secondary doctrines.
The question of free will. Arminianism and Calvinism to views which are neither.
The teachings on baptisms.
Versions of the doctrine of the Trinity. Over the gifts of the Spirit. Etc.

The odds are, one is most likely will be wrong something.
 

Paul from Antioch

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Pro / Con KJVO....;) We live in a SIN cursed world! Thus saith the "KING of KINGS & LORD of LORDs"! 2 me.....How does this pro/anti KJVO "Controversy" help one who's on his/her way to (U know where!??)....When the "Books are opened" will they B KJVO??!!??....We've gut our "Marching orders fm "God so loved the world.... [Incl...PRO & CON KJVO! How's either "side" helping the lost in Iran (usta wuz Persia till the mid 1930s!) Or the USA or any other nation 4 that matter?? "When the 'BOOKS are opened" .....WILL THEY B in 1611 English? I don't know! For that matter they MAY be in kione GK! ....This world NEEDs KING JESUS...NOT King James!! ..."That's MY story & I'ma stikkin w/ it! If Uall prefer KJ...Fine! If U prefer another version Fine w/me....Who knows?... Thank GOD 4 KJ...But Thank GOD 4 other Versions 2! ... Now, I'll get off MY pulpit & turn over 2 the One Who Made ALL Pulpits (Even those B4 & after 1611!) /s/P fm A.....PS If I've offended ANY 1..pse 4 give me! I'm "Only a sinner saved by HIS 'Amazing Grace'!!"PfmA
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Pro / Con KJVO....;) We live in a SIN cursed world! Thus saith the "KING of KINGS & LORD of LORDs"! 2 me.....How does this pro/anti KJVO "Controversy" help one who's on his/her way to (U know where!??)....When the "Books are opened" will they B KJVO??!!??....We've gut our "Marching orders fm "God so loved the world.... [Incl...PRO & CON KJVO! How's either "side" helping the lost in Iran (usta wuz Persia till the mid 1930s!) Or the USA or any other nation 4 that matter?? "When the 'BOOKS are opened" .....WILL THEY B in 1611 English? I don't know! For that matter they MAY be in kione GK! ....This world NEEDs KING JESUS...NOT King James!! ..."That's MY story & I'ma stikkin w/ it! If Uall prefer KJ...Fine! If U prefer another version Fine w/me....Who knows?... Thank GOD 4 KJ...But Thank GOD 4 other Versions 2! ... Now, I'll get off MY pulpit & turn over 2 the One Who Made ALL Pulpits (Even those B4 & after 1611!) /s/P fm A.....PS If I've offended ANY 1..pse 4 give me! I'm "Only a sinner saved by HIS 'Amazing Grace'!!"PfmA
And that is the primary issue at hand… how do you get saved? Is it entirely by Gods Grace or do you have a hand in your own salvation by your choices and works? Then if so, you can’t believe that God is your savior, ie then He isn’t Sovereign.
 

David Lamb

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Pro / Con KJVO....;) We live in a SIN cursed world! Thus saith the "KING of KINGS & LORD of LORDs"! 2 me.....How does this pro/anti KJVO "Controversy" help one who's on his/her way to (U know where!??)....When the "Books are opened" will they B KJVO??!!??....We've gut our "Marching orders fm "God so loved the world.... [Incl...PRO & CON KJVO! How's either "side" helping the lost in Iran (usta wuz Persia till the mid 1930s!) Or the USA or any other nation 4 that matter?? "When the 'BOOKS are opened" .....WILL THEY B in 1611 English? I don't know! For that matter they MAY be in kione GK! ....This world NEEDs KING JESUS...NOT King James!! ..."That's MY story & I'ma stikkin w/ it! If Uall prefer KJ...Fine! If U prefer another version Fine w/me....Who knows?... Thank GOD 4 KJ...But Thank GOD 4 other Versions 2! ... Now, I'll get off MY pulpit & turn over 2 the One Who Made ALL Pulpits (Even those B4 & after 1611!) /s/P fm A.....PS If I've offended ANY 1..pse 4 give me! I'm "Only a sinner saved by HIS 'Amazing Grace'!!"PfmA
I agree about needing King Jesus not King James. I'm glad that in my country (UK) until recently when we started following the USA, the version translated in 1611 was known as "The Authorised Version£" ("AV") from the fact that its introduction states that it was "authorised to be read in churches". "King James Version" gives the totally wrong idea that King James actually translated it!
 

Jerome

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I'm glad that in my country (UK) until recently....the version translated in 1611 was known as "The Authorised Version£" ("AV") from the fact that its introduction states that it was "authorised to be read in churches".
Wrong!

I'm glad that in my country (USA) we know that the word used is not "authorised", but "appointed". And that's on the title page, not the introduction.
 

David Lamb

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Wrong!

I'm glad that in my country (USA) we know that the word used is not "authorised", but "appointed". And that's on the title page, not the introduction.
My apologies! I should have said "title page" rather than "introduction."
 

Paul from Antioch

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Christians disagree on myriad of secondary doctrines.
The question of free will. Arminianism and Calvinism to views which are neither.
The teachings on baptisms.
Versions of the doctrine of the Trinity. Over the gifts of the Spirit. Etc.

The odds are, one is most likely will be wrong something.
What concerns "me" (i.e. "P fm A) is that in SOME cases "WE" (Me included!) tend 2 spend a "bit more" time hashing over things (Which in their place MAY be important...BUT) is this REALLY what the HS wants us to do?? JESUS (Our "C in C"!) said "Ye shall be MY witnesses" in this world that (Pardon the expression) is HELL BOUND!! A lot of times I don't witness as much as I believe God's ONLY Begotten Son wants me to. (Ex. RIGHT across the street there's a "GAY PRIDE" flag that I see every day. DO I want (NOT as He commands me!) to witness to that person??... All around my neighborhood are souls on their way to (I/you know where!)....There was a song that goes: "You're the ONLY Jesus some will EVER See..." Am I that person who can "show them" the WAY, the Truth, & THE LIFE"?....How many "rewards" have I "neglected" to earn? "Will I go an EMPTY handed"? Will You?? .... Again, there IS a place where we can fight over things such as "Hymns vs CCM" or "KJVO vs newer translations," etc. BUT will these things keep me/us from THE MAIN Thing?? "YE (U & me!) SHALL (not "maybe") M Y WITNESSes!!)... Selah.. P fm A.
 
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