savedbymercy
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Deal with the scripture !
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Deal with the scripture !
Deal with the scriptures! enough of your unsubstantiated personal opinions!
savedbymercy
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Believing is a work, an act of man !
Then you don't believe in the Christian faith do you?
Whatever happened to sola fide?
savedbymercy
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Christianity is the only faith in the world where "faith" is not a work. It believes that salvation is by faith, and thus Christianity results in a personal relationship with Christ.
If your insistence is on faith being a work is true, your faith is no different than any other religion. You may as well forsake Christianity and join some other religion like Islam or Hinduism or any other religion that is a works-based religion. For that is what you have.
savedbymercy
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Perhaps the Muslims would agree with you, but orthodox Christianity does not.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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savedby mercy, for whatever you have wrong, you understand that believing is indeed a work. There are works of merit and there are works without merit. Everything God demands of individuals to do, have no merit in regards to salvation, for salvation is by grace. Still God demands we do some things, without which we will not enter into a hope of eternal life. Believing is indeed one of those things without merit yet thought of in the sense of 'not without which' our hope of eternal life is conditioned.
DHK has not the slightest knowledge of the truth concerning belief or repentance, when he fails to see them as works we must do. His off colored remark of being associated with and or needing to join the Hindus, cults etc. (a remark made often in a variety of ways by him) for understanding a work and the differing senses it is and can be used, is not only false, but an insult to many readers. He needs to be reprimanded for an infraction of the rules of this forum, i.e., insulting other members.:thumbsup:
DHK has not the slightest knowledge of the truth concerning belief or repentance, when he fails to see them as works we must do. His off colored remark of being associated with and or needing to join the Hindus, cults etc. (a remark made often in a variety of ways by him) for understanding a work and the differing senses it is and can be used, is not only false, but an insult to many readers. He needs to be reprimanded for an infraction of the rules of this forum, i.e., insulting other members.:thumbsup:
Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: Orthodoxy! The only ones that would disagree that it is a work, 'in a sense,' would be Calvinsits and those leaning hard towards Calvinism.
Associating believers with cults and false religions is not only far from the truth but it is an insult to members of this forum, and as such DHK needs some infractions on his account for insulting other members. We need a fair moderator please, one that will live by the rules of the forum as well as simply post infractions against those that disagree with him. :thumbsup:
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Sorry HP, there is not a moderator or administrator on this board, Cal or non-Cal, that would agree to the heresy that faith is a work.
You may have noticed in another thread I was debating TCassidy, a staunch Calvinist. I disagree with him on many things. He, like most Calvinists, agree that "faith is a gift from God," not a work. I don't believe it is a gift from God either. The source of Biblical faith is from hearing the Word of God.
Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God. Obviously then it is not a work.
savedbymercy
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Heavenly Pilgrim
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Believing involves an act of the will just as all works involve an act of the will in their initial stage. God judges acts of the will in precisely the same manner as He does all works.
What believing is NOT, is a meritorious act. NOTHING man does that is required by God to enter into a hope of eternal life is meritorious in nature. Some obviously need to read the last two sentences over a few times to get a grip on it. Here they are again.
What believing is NOT, is a meritorious act. NOTHING man does that is required by God to enter into a hope of eternal life is meritorious in nature.
What believing is NOT, is a meritorious act. NOTHING man does that is required by God to enter into a hope of eternal life is meritorious in nature. Some obviously need to read the last two sentences over a few times to get a grip on it. Here they are again.
What believing is NOT, is a meritorious act. NOTHING man does that is required by God to enter into a hope of eternal life is meritorious in nature.
savedbymercy
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Believing is a work of man, if one claims to be saved or Justified before God because of their act of believing, they are claiming salvation or justification by their works, simple as that !
savedbymercy
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hp
Oh yes it is when you state that it is the act you did that got you saved, for without it, you would be lost !
Oh yes it is when you state that it is the act you did that got you saved, for without it, you would be lost !
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: Agreed! We are NOT saved 'because' our believing is meritorious, ( for our believing is NOT meritorious period) but neither will we be saved 'apart from' our believing, for believing is a condition we must fulfill to enter into a hope of eternal life. God could have told us to stand on our head, if He so desired, to be saved, and it still would be true that no man is saved 'because' he stands on his head.
I have illustrated the clear distinction between the grounds of salvation and conditions of as seen clearly in the issue of a pardon. No one receives a pardon because of something meritoriously done, for a pardon cannot be merited. Still, there are some things required by any just governor, that the prisoner must do if he is to receive a pardon. Again, the pardon is not received 'because of'' anything in particular one does, for the governor would be perfectly just to ignore anything anyone does subsequent to being justly convicted. If one receives a pardon, it is because of the grace of the pardoning governor, NOT anything meritorious done by the prisoner.
Sbm, tell me once again you understand this distinction.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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DHK, is lusting, that God says is paramount to and judged as adultery, consummated in the mind alone at first, in your estimation a deed? Why or why not?
Heavenly Pilgrim
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It is obvious that some still have not read this. Here it is one more time.
What believing is NOT, is a meritorious act. NOTHING man does that is required by God to enter into a hope of eternal life is meritorious in nature. Not belief, and not repentance.
What believing is NOT, is a meritorious act. NOTHING man does that is required by God to enter into a hope of eternal life is meritorious in nature. Not belief, and not repentance.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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Sbm, do you have any certain understanding of the distinction between something being meritorious and something required but NOT meritorious? Just asking. If you do, explain it to me in whatever terms you so desire.
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