Jacob Gastrich
New Member
I have a bad feeling that I was not the most Godly in this email. What do you say? God forgive me.
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There are so many things I would like to say right now, but I am going to try to keep it as short as possible. I have many more important issues as we prepare to move into our new, 3,000-seat auditorium tomorrow than answering the same question from the same guy for the fourth or fifth time. Why have you sought to make such a big issue out of something that is not an issue? Are you corresponding with the thousands of churches in CA and the rest of America that believe exactly as North Valley? Is it really the best use of your life to call the Bible Answerman on KFAX to ask what he thinks about a question that you have regarding a stand that you think our church has taken which is not even correct? By the way, what makes the Bible Answerman on KFAX 1100 the final authority? You say, “not even he agrees” with something like he is the Apostle Paul speaking by divine inspiration or something. It doesn’t matter what he said because the question you asked him was not even a valid question.
Well the the BAM knows scripture and is always ready to defend himself.
1. We don’t have a chapter and verse for the teaching that one must be baptized if one was saved in a non-KJV only church because that is not a stated doctrine of our church. I don’t know where you came up with this whole issue. We have never said that, written that, or preached that. You told me with your own mouth you were saved and baptized through a place that would be way off Scripturally. They do not believe nor practice the Bible as even you think they should.
Likewise my old pastor never believed that the CM&A was that bad where one would require Baptism. He did not agree with the CM&A and did not associate with them. But he did try and minister to the people at the school, and he never required one Simpson student that was Saved and Baptized in the Alliance to get Baptized a second time. This is not what the Bible teaches.
Because of that, if you wanted to be a member of our church, you would need to be baptized in our church.
Which is a false doctrine. Hanagraaf said on the radio that you were not a "healthy Well Balanced Church." Its a shame that Fundamentalist churches are very rare around here. Back in Northern California where I lived for 4+ years it was not difficult finding non King James Only Fundamentalist Churches.
North Valley Baptist of Redding is one such example. Just as conservative as you. But the difference is that they do no require former CM&A people to get Baptized a second time, nor are they KJVO.
If you don’t want to be a member of our church, then it doesn’t even matter. The fact of you being baptized in our church has NOTHING to do with whether or not the ministry where you were saved is non-KJV only. (read that sentence again 10 times before moving on. It may save you from asking this question in another form or fashion some months down the road). You have created an issue out of something that is not an issue.
Its a very serious issue and even my former pastor(s) agrees that requiring me to get Baptized into your church, because I was originally Baptized in the Alliance is a false doctrine. You cant defend it, like my old pastors could. They knew scripture in and out.
On another note, there are many things that every church does without a chapter and verse (including your beloved non-KJV only church in Red Bluff).
The sarcasm is interesting. I not once was sarcastic to you was I? If I was please show me so I can improve.
In Redbluff there were many non KJVO churches. Community Baptist was just as conservative as you, and did not practice KJVOism.
KJVOism is not the biggest issue and I could live with that. But requiring someone to get Baptized a second time is wrong.
My pastors confirmed it, I called Grace Community Church and they agreed, and know Hank Hanagraaf said the same.
Give me a chapter and verse for holding church at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday. Why not 2:00 p.m.? Give me a chapter and verse to have a piano playing. Why not a harpsichord? Is there a chapter and verse about why some churches use screens to put the words up and why some don’t? Of course not. Churches all have different personalities, with different practices.
No matter saying that the Alliance is not a Christian Church is wrong and absurd man. I am not in favor of the Alliance in all areas, but they are a christian church and they are doign greta work overseas.
This is what you have said by requiring me to get Baptized into your church.
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There are so many things I would like to say right now, but I am going to try to keep it as short as possible. I have many more important issues as we prepare to move into our new, 3,000-seat auditorium tomorrow than answering the same question from the same guy for the fourth or fifth time. Why have you sought to make such a big issue out of something that is not an issue? Are you corresponding with the thousands of churches in CA and the rest of America that believe exactly as North Valley? Is it really the best use of your life to call the Bible Answerman on KFAX to ask what he thinks about a question that you have regarding a stand that you think our church has taken which is not even correct? By the way, what makes the Bible Answerman on KFAX 1100 the final authority? You say, “not even he agrees” with something like he is the Apostle Paul speaking by divine inspiration or something. It doesn’t matter what he said because the question you asked him was not even a valid question.
Well the the BAM knows scripture and is always ready to defend himself.
1. We don’t have a chapter and verse for the teaching that one must be baptized if one was saved in a non-KJV only church because that is not a stated doctrine of our church. I don’t know where you came up with this whole issue. We have never said that, written that, or preached that. You told me with your own mouth you were saved and baptized through a place that would be way off Scripturally. They do not believe nor practice the Bible as even you think they should.
Likewise my old pastor never believed that the CM&A was that bad where one would require Baptism. He did not agree with the CM&A and did not associate with them. But he did try and minister to the people at the school, and he never required one Simpson student that was Saved and Baptized in the Alliance to get Baptized a second time. This is not what the Bible teaches.
Because of that, if you wanted to be a member of our church, you would need to be baptized in our church.
Which is a false doctrine. Hanagraaf said on the radio that you were not a "healthy Well Balanced Church." Its a shame that Fundamentalist churches are very rare around here. Back in Northern California where I lived for 4+ years it was not difficult finding non King James Only Fundamentalist Churches.
North Valley Baptist of Redding is one such example. Just as conservative as you. But the difference is that they do no require former CM&A people to get Baptized a second time, nor are they KJVO.
If you don’t want to be a member of our church, then it doesn’t even matter. The fact of you being baptized in our church has NOTHING to do with whether or not the ministry where you were saved is non-KJV only. (read that sentence again 10 times before moving on. It may save you from asking this question in another form or fashion some months down the road). You have created an issue out of something that is not an issue.
Its a very serious issue and even my former pastor(s) agrees that requiring me to get Baptized into your church, because I was originally Baptized in the Alliance is a false doctrine. You cant defend it, like my old pastors could. They knew scripture in and out.
On another note, there are many things that every church does without a chapter and verse (including your beloved non-KJV only church in Red Bluff).
The sarcasm is interesting. I not once was sarcastic to you was I? If I was please show me so I can improve.
In Redbluff there were many non KJVO churches. Community Baptist was just as conservative as you, and did not practice KJVOism.
KJVOism is not the biggest issue and I could live with that. But requiring someone to get Baptized a second time is wrong.
My pastors confirmed it, I called Grace Community Church and they agreed, and know Hank Hanagraaf said the same.
Give me a chapter and verse for holding church at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday. Why not 2:00 p.m.? Give me a chapter and verse to have a piano playing. Why not a harpsichord? Is there a chapter and verse about why some churches use screens to put the words up and why some don’t? Of course not. Churches all have different personalities, with different practices.
No matter saying that the Alliance is not a Christian Church is wrong and absurd man. I am not in favor of the Alliance in all areas, but they are a christian church and they are doign greta work overseas.
This is what you have said by requiring me to get Baptized into your church.
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