Churches back plan to unite under Pope

I could be wrong, but from the looks of this website, and based on their FAQs page, I get the feeling that the authors are not supported by the Vatican in their opinions. Furthermore, I saw no hint that the articles were with imprimatur, which is the first thing I look for with any Catholic site.

 

Well, the other comments still stand and as far as I know their quotes are accurate. Unless you can prove otherwise.

 

On the ‘Other Christians Denominations’ page I have numerous times corrected those that like to post quotes from Popes that are from ‘bible Christian’ websites. What I have found after researching legitimate Catholic sites and reading the whole complete quote, I find that the quote was cut-up and rearranged to push an agenda. It doesn’t take that much effort to fact-check a quote for accuracy.

So when you say

You actually fact-check the quotes? <personal attack deleted - LE>

 

Originally Posted by The Galatian
Pity you couldn't find anything later than the 1300s. The statement about the supremacy of the pontif in temporal matters applied only to the political conditions existing at the tiem in Europe, when the rulers claimed legitmacy through the Church. The Church makes no such claims about it today, nor does it claim that salvation depends on one's submission to temporal power of any religious agent.

I can find Baptists who still think racial segregation is ordained by God. But as you learned, the RCC teaches that other Christians than RCC are true Christians. Why you persist in claiming otherwise, is hard to fathom. But it's clear now that you don't intend to be truthful about this.


But now that you know what the RCC teaches, I'm sure you won't be doing any further false witness about it.

You won't, will you?

Here, I'll repeat what it says, again...

From the commentary by the RCC on Lumen Gentium, from the Second Vatican Council:

"The Catholic Church professes that it is the one, holy catholic and apostolic Church of Christ; this it does not and could not deny. But in its Constitution the Church now solemnly acknowledges that the Holy Ghost is truly active in the churches and communities separated from itself. To these other Christian Churches the Catholic Church is bound in many ways: through reverence for God's word in the Scriptures; through the fact of baptism; through other sacraments which they recognize."

5. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church."

And here, from John Paul II:
It follows that these separated churches and communities, though we believe that they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and value in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church." (Unitatis Redintegratio, para. 3, quoted in Ut Unum Sint, para. 10)

To the extent that these elements are found in other Christian communities, the one church of Christ is effectively present in them. For this reason the Second Vatican Council speaks of a certain, though imperfect communion. The Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium stresses that the Catholic Church "recognizes that in many ways she is linked" with these communities by a true union in the Holy Spirit. (Ut Unum Sint, para. 11).

It's the official position of the Roman Catholic Church. That's the whole story.


Barbarian observes:
I'm puzzled why it's so important to you to misrepresent what the RCC teaches about other Christians.

Quote:
(statment on Christianity)
[The Council] relies on sacred Scripture and Tradition in teaching that this pilgrim Church is necessary for salvation.

That's a modern revision of Christianity, invented during the late middle ages. But it says nothing at all about other denominations. I gather you're now aware that your original claim was a lie,and are trying to change it. I'm not going to let you do that.

As you know, the church refers to the catholic church(all Christians), not merely the RCC, which is only a part of it. That's what the statement from Vatican II made clear. You don't want this to be true, for reasons I don't understand.
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This means that it would be impossible for men to be saved if they refused to enter or to remain in the Catholic Church, unless they were unaware that her foundation by God through Jesus Christ made it a necessity.

Right. If you know the truth, and don't follow it, then you are not saved. That would be true, even if some other church was the correct one.

Sorry, not going to let you slide off into a different argument. The official doctrine of the RCC is that other Christian denominations are fully Christian. You can cease spreading the falsehood that we don't believe this, or you can continue to do so.

Up to you.

You feel a lot of things that aren't true.

You claimed that the RCC says something that is exactly the opposite of what they do say. How can you be more false than that?

God is more honest than we are, not less.

Yep. So long as the Protestants are in the majority, that is how it will stay. But since a lot of them are leaving, and since the Catholics are a rapidly increasing proportion of the north, that might not last too much longer. But historically, the Protestants in the Irish Republic have been treated much better than the Catholics in the north, so that's maybe a good thing.

At any rate, I'm not going to let you slide off topic for long. Bottom line? The Catholic Church gets to decide what its doctrines are. You don't. They say that other Christians are still Christians. This riles you to the point that you can't stand to know it.

Maybe it's time to do a little prayerful contemplation on why.

 

I'm hinding nothing. I listed the site where I found some of the quotes. Is that not a catholic website?

 

You did not deal with some of the areas I brought up and the quotes I listed are plain and simple. I took them from RCC websites and RCC sources.

[The Council] relies on sacred Scripture and Tradition in teaching that this pilgrim Church is necessary for salvation.

Those who rely on Scripture alone will have seen enough here. Others will never, or most likely never, accept other wise.

Some of my statements were ignored but that's fine. I doubt we could get to the end of this before the end of the 3 day closing rule.

 

I’m not denying that a Catholic owns the website. What I’m saying is that the Vatican doesn’t agree with or support the views of the webmaster. Read the FAQs section of the site you linked.

Any of the essays written therein are without imprimatur, which means that the essays are not free from error in matters of Roman Catholic doctrine and morals, and hence are not acceptable reading for faithful Roman Catholics.

I personally trust no Catholic site or read any Catholic material that isn’t with imprimatur. That just to ensure that what I’m reading and studying is what Catholics teach and believe in regard to doctrine and morals.

Futhermore, the site doesn't list any of the quotes in there entirety. That's where it's your job to fact-check the source to ensure accuracy.

 

Who cares what the RCC thinks, does or says? About as much as the Mormons or any other off the wall organization. So what is the point? Do you want the Baptist faith to join the Pope's club? I guess then we would all have to learn Latin and wear beenie caps to church.

 

It will never happen. There are too many differences between the Anglicans and the Roman Catholic Church, such as gay clergy, female clergy, aborton, married priests, etc., etc. :saint:

 

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Lady Eagle

 

Closed. LE