Classic Hymns VS CCM music in church

[SpiritualMadMan]

Eric

...but person to person confrontation (commanded in the New Testament, as opposed to what is called "backbiting", which is what we see here) where the person can challenge you is much harder (especially if you have something to hide, such as a weak argument covered with a veneer of tough talk that the other person can expose). If one's position is so true, would this form of censorship be necessary?

Good Points Eric!

Another issue is if the point is so rooted in Biblical Truth why must man defend it so emotionally?

It would seem to me that an honest debate should be possible without resulting in chopping the other person off at the knees...

If we are *really* opposing ourselves with our music then doesn't it seem strange that this scripture is not invoked?

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

- or this one if they are really so High Priestly in their position...

Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Hebrews 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Granted I, also have tended to get too fiery myself at times...

But, this is how we *should* conduct ourselves even when wronged...

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by preach97:
What is best in church services, classic hymns(Revive Us Again, Old Rugged Cross, Nothing but the Blood, etc) or CCM music (Awesome God, Shout to the Lord, etc)?

Our church has one CCM service and one blended service.

Although I attend the CCM service, I personally would prefer a more classic approach to the music.

Don't get me wrong: I absolutely LOVE CCM and P&W music, and listen to it most of the week. I simply have a personal preference for the classic music because I feel that it sets a more reverent atmosphere in our service. I was in a church once, and during the invitation, the congregation was singing Just As I Am. I was stunned that the drummer began playing as if it were a march. IMO, that was horribly inappropriate for such a serious point in the service. My unbelieving friend even made a comment about it afterwards, saying that the "march" was "silly" and "over the top."

HOWEVER, the vast majority of the congregation prefers this type of music in the service, and I don't feel it is worth making an issue. After praying about it, I decided that I wouldn't want to potentially cause a weaker brother/sister to stumble just to voice my personal preference.

Regards,
BiR

 

[musicforyou]

Well, I thought that I might put my opinion again (and really when you think about it this is all about someone's opinion, so don't bash people when they put their opinion). I am strongly classical hymns only in church (this does not exclude instrumental accompaniment, but it does exclude instrumental accompaniment that overpowers the message of the song). I personally don't listen to CCM or P & W at all but I don't condemn people who do. What other people listen to at their own leisure is their own business. I feel that the hard drum beat and loud electric guitar help to make a person get all excited about the music when they should be getting excited about the Lord and what the preacher has to say. Sometimes I get as much a blessing from the music as I do the preaching. That is probably because I think that we can preach through our music. I also feel that a service should never be completely music. We all need exhortation from God's man and this exhortation can be supported by good Godly music.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Music,

Funny you should share about Music getting people excited...

On my Hillsongs Youth Alive New South Wales...

One of the songs actually says that some people need the music to make them groove....

But, it's the power of Jesus that makes me move...

I thought that was interesting...

And, possibly an admonishment, from a rocker no less.

Mike Sr.

 

[vermae]

We are to ask ourselves "does Jesus like this?" Some of the Stuff I see and hear in church Sunday Mornings gives me the chills.All I can say if this kind of music made me feel good I would never have left the world.Now I can have the best of both worlds.Beware the devil can creep in .This is an old trick it happened back in the bible days.Read your bible that's your guideline for life.

 

[rbell]

Our church has one CCM service and one blended service.

Although I attend the CCM service, I personally would prefer a more classic approach to the music.

Don't get me wrong: I absolutely LOVE CCM and P&W music, and listen to it most of the week. I simply have a personal preference for the classic music because I feel that it sets a more reverent atmosphere in our service. I was in a church once, and during the invitation, the congregation was singing Just As I Am. I was stunned that the drummer began playing as if it were a march. IMO, that was horribly inappropriate for such a serious point in the service. My unbelieving friend even made a comment about it afterwards, saying that the "march" was "silly" and "over the top."

HOWEVER, the vast majority of the congregation prefers this type of music in the service, and I don't feel it is worth making an issue. After praying about it, I decided that I wouldn't want to potentially cause a weaker brother/sister to stumble just to voice my personal preference.

Regards,
BiR

An attitude with Biblical support. From one who prefers traditional stuff. Now this is what we should see from all sides of this arrangement.

Some of the Stuff I see and hear in church Sunday Mornings gives me the chills.All I can say if this kind of music made me feel good I would never have left the world.

An attitude without Biblical support. I got chills Sunday morning because our A/C was set too low. Doesn't mean God didn't show up, though.

 

[Eric B]

Originally posted by SpiritualMadMan:
Good Points Eric!

Another issue is if the point is so rooted in Biblical Truth why must man defend it so emotionally?

It would seem to me that an honest debate should be possible without resulting in chopping the other person off at the knees...

If we are *really* opposing ourselves with our music then doesn't it seem strange that this scripture is not invoked?

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

- or this one if they are really so High Priestly in their position...

Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Hebrews 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Granted I, also have tended to get too fiery myself at times...

But, this is how we *should* conduct ourselves even when wronged...

I had covered that as well:
"If contemporary Christians are doing so much wrong in their music (as well as the secular rock & urban culture) then there should be a concern that these people are doing harm to their own souls, and their relationship with God. But no, all I see from this movement is hostile contempt: like 'you people are rebelling against our authority; helping erode our culture, [and bringing that dreaded 'jungle' culture into our midst]!'" The same attitude you see in their politics and every other aspect of their message to the outside world. Doesn't the contemptuous name calling we see (from the likes of av1611, Godwin, etc) sound more like personal animosity than godly reproof?

Their whole thing is that they have tried that way, we kept "rebelling" and forcing the music on them, and we know it's wrong, so maybe being nasty will work. But of course, it isn't, so what they are doing is basically just venting a lot of hot air, as well as puffing themselves up at the same time.

 

[dcorbett]

Mike Sr - I was raised Southern Baptist when the churches used the good ole' hymns, and when I drifted, I went to a "hippie" church in the early 70s that was charismatic, we sang the Psalms there, but I only remember one of them - 150? (at work and my Bible is in my truck outside) There was another "I will bless the Lord at all times, his praise shall continually be on my lips" - what number is that one?

I am Independent Fundamental KJV now that I am a mature adult. I really believe what my Pastor preaches about keeping "the world outside the church doors" - i.e. not conforming to what the world wants the church to be (very scriptural).
So I don't like drums in church (even though I love music with drums, after all, I am an old rock n roller) and I don't like Powerpoint razzle dazzle either. Church is not a performance; it is a worship and outreach. IFB seem to be closer to what I grew up with and what seems to fit the definition.

(ducking for the incoming scuds)

 

[rbell]

no scuds, just a reminder...

You posted what you "like and don't like" (your words). That's not equivalent to scriptural mandate.

Having said that, I'm happy that you like your church, and I sincerely hope God blesses your family of faith...just as He is blessing ours.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Psalms 34:1 <A Psalm of David, when he changed his behaviour before Abimelech; who drove him away, and he departed.> I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. (KJV)

Hippie, huh... Is that a Paisley Pattern on the hat?

Also, remember that the world may have first stolen 'good' music from God, through satan's fall, and we may only be retaking it back for it's original purpose...

I'm talking style not content or culture....

Mike Sr.

 

[Eric B]

And also remember that the "good ole" styles are from the world as well. Just a different time period of it, that's all.

 

[tinytim]

Originally posted by dcorbett:
Mike Sr - I was raised Southern Baptist when the churches used the good ole' hymns, and when I drifted, I went to a "hippie" church in the early 70s that was charismatic, we sang the Psalms there, but I only remember one of them - 150? (at work and my Bible is in my truck outside) There was another "I will bless the Lord at all times, his praise shall continually be on my lips" - what number is that one?

I am Independent Fundamental KJV now that I am a mature adult. I really believe what my Pastor preaches about keeping "the world outside the church doors" - i.e. not conforming to what the world wants the church to be (very scriptural).
So I don't like drums in church (even though I love music with drums, after all, I am an old rock n roller) and I don't like Powerpoint razzle dazzle either. Church is not a performance; it is a worship and outreach. IFB seem to be closer to what I grew up with and what seems to fit the definition.

(ducking for the incoming scuds)

That is a very mature post... i wish more were like that.

We may disagree about the "how tos" but I truly hope God blesses you and your church.

 

[Joseph M. Smith]

It amuses me that when we speak about "good old" songs, most of the Gospel songs and other items in the hymnals are from the 19th Century, less than 200 years old. Hey, let's sing some Lutheran chorales that are 500 years old or some Gregorian chant or maybe blow the shofar!

 

[rbell]

Originally posted by Joseph M. Smith:
Hey, let's sing some Lutheran chorales that are 500 years old or some Gregorian chant or maybe blow the shofar!

PROBLEMS WITH A SHOFAR IN A CHURCH SERVICE:

-I can see the slippery slope: "Today's worship brought to you by Dodge--Ram Tough."

-There would be a "contemporary shofar" (repeating the same hornblow 11 times) versus the "traditional shofar" (hornblowing the first, second, and last verses).

-It wouldn't be long before somebody used the lame phrase...

"Well, shofar, so good."

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

rbell...

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by rbell:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph M. Smith:
Hey, let's sing some Lutheran chorales that are 500 years old or some Gregorian chant or maybe blow the shofar!

PROBLEMS WITH A SHOFAR IN A CHURCH SERVICE:

-I can see the slippery slope: "Today's worship brought to you by Dodge--Ram Tough."

-There would be a "contemporary shofar" (repeating the same hornblow 11 times) versus the "traditional shofar" (hornblowing the first, second, and last verses).

-It wouldn't be long before somebody used the lame phrase...

"Well, shofar, so good." </font>[/QUOTE]Perhaps a rendition of the Beach Boys' "Surfin' Shofari".

 

[dcorbett]

Originally posted by Joseph M. Smith:
It amuses me that when we speak about "good old" songs, most of the Gospel songs and other items in the hymnals are from the 19th Century, less than 200 years old. Hey, let's sing some Lutheran chorales that are 500 years old or some Gregorian chant or maybe blow the shofar!

That's all Catholic and Protestant stuff....neither of which the Baptists ever were!!! Baptists are not and never were Protestants. Read the history.

 

[Eric B]

Then what were they before? Waldensians? Waldensians were Catholics who simply opposed some of the excess in the mother Church.
Albigenses? Catharii? These were heretical (dualistc, ascetic) groups.
Anabaptists? These groups are more closely related to the Mennonites, including the Amish. Some of them were also heretical at times (Hutterites, etc)

 

[Joseph M. Smith]

The discussion as originally presented never turned on the denominational origins of the songs we sing. I would not want to have a hymnal whose contents were written only by Baptists. We'd lose Isaac Watts and Charles Wesley, among many others!

 

[rbell]

You mean "The Baptist Hymnal" we have...

(gasp)

has a METHODIST'S songs in it?



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