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There were no Christians before Christ's death and resurrection. His disciples really didn't understand what Christianity was until Pentecost. In fact, there was no Church until Pentecost.Check out the Last Supper. Were the multitudes present, or just the 12?
Closed communionists are not holding the Last Supper as a model to be replicated exactly. In the realm of the closed part of communion, most see it as indicating principle. If the last/first supper was a private observance restricted to those whom Jesus invited, there would be no reason to suppose the Lord's Supper in the church age cannot also be a private observance restricted to those whom Jesus invites. Maybe that helps explain how closed communionists see it supporting their position without trying to create an exact replica.
Ok, trying to make it a precise, literal model to be followed exactly.Hmmm. Are you saying you don't believe the Last Supper was a literal last supper? Are you saying it didn't occur, or that it didn't occur as the bible describes?
Believing it was a literal supper? Yes. That is on me. I believe it occurred just as the bible says.
Brother, to clarify, the incident may be used by some as proof of closed communion, or as a guideline how it should be carried out -- but my point was only that it is consistent with closed communion (seemingly more so that with open). The case for closed communion must be built on other things. Nevertheless, there probably are some who use the Last Passover/First Lord's Supper as proof.I see your point but I think there are too many holes in using the Apostles-only as even a guideline...
Who made such a claim?Ok, trying to make it a precise, literal model to be followed exactly.
In my opinion that is what you did in post 12.Who made such a claim?
Your opinion is way off the mark. You couldn't be more wrong.In my opinion that is what you did in post 12.
Not making anything up. You brought up who was present.Your opinion is way off the mark. You couldn't be more wrong.
Where do you see a claim of the Last Supper being a "precise, literal model?"
"Check out the Last Supper. Were the multitudes present, or just the 12?"
Please. You can't just make this stuff up as you go along.
Of course you are. It is impossible to infer from "Check out the Last Supper. Were the multitudes present, or just the 12?" that I was implying or suggesting "that it a precise, literal model to be followed exactly."Not making anything up. You brought up who was present.
Then how is it a model for closed communion?Of course you are. It is impossible to infer from "Check out the Last Supper. Were the multitudes present, or just the 12?" that I was implying or suggesting "that it a precise, literal model to be followed exactly."
No non members were present.Then how is it a model for closed communion?
It was not a church at that point.No non members were present.
It was an organized (with a pastor/shepherd, and officers) assembly of baptized believers.It was not a church at that point.
Can you logically draw from this instance that Jesus would not be willing to serve communion to all believers? This was a particular instance where he had a specific reason to have an intimate moment with the 12.It was an organized (with a pastor/shepherd, and officers) assembly of baptized believers.
I can only say what He did.Can you logically draw from this instance that Jesus would not be willing to serve communion to all believers? This was a particular instance where he had a specific reason to have an intimate moment with the 12.
Agreed. Likewise, we can't say that what He did in that one instance is what He would always do.I can only say what He did.
He did it that way at every Last Supper.Agreed. Likewise, we can't say that what He did in that one instance is what He would always do.
I guess I would have to agree with that.He did it that way at every Last Supper.