Cohen Has Knowledge of Russia Campaign Conspiracy Lawyer Says

[carpro]

Where is the Russian collusion in this?

 

[church mouse guy]

Cohen is a street smart lawyer. I think it's ridiculous to think he took a 4-6 yr. prison term hit lightly. Another example of fake news by the far right extremists.

Just asking for a friend. If he is a smart street lawyer, how did he get convicted of giving his client illegal advice and why is he going to prison for a long time? If he is a smart street lawyer, why did he get involved with Lanny Davis, who got him a prison sentence for paying off a blackmailer? If he is a smart street lawyer, why isn't the blackmailer being charged with anything? Just asking for a friend.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Just asking for a friend. If he is a smart street lawyer, how did he get convicted of giving his client illegal advice and why is he going to prison for a long time? If he is a smart street lawyer, why did he get involved with Lanny Davis, who got him a prison sentence for paying off a blackmailer? If he is a smart street lawyer, why isn't the blackmailer being charged with anything? Just asking for a friend.

He gave his client advice that Trump KNEW was illegal.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Where is the Russian collusion in this?

Donald Trump Jr and is probably key to the Russian collusion. He's get his day in court too. Trump himself is certainly key as well. Since a sitting president cannot be put on trial, Trump's knowledge will come out in the impeachment process.

 

[HankD]

This is all wishful thinking. I think there will be no there there for the POTUS after the smoke clears.

Not that the left handed progressive wont try for an impeachment on civil offenses but it will die in the chambers.

 

[church mouse guy]

He gave his client advice that Trump KNEW was illegal.

And that case, giving advice that the lawyer knew was illegal, Mueller let him off easy. Cohen is a bad lawyer.

 

[FollowTheWay]

And that case, giving advice that the lawyer knew was illegal, Mueller let him off easy. Cohen is a bad lawyer.

No. Trump asked Cohen to do illegal activities. Cohen is a criminal.

 

[church mouse guy]

No. Trump asked Cohen to do illegal activities. Cohen is a criminal.

It is not illegal to make a cash payment to a porn actress who is blackmailing you. Cohen was the lawyer and Trump was the client. Cohen knew the law so if Cohen did something illegal, then he is a criminal as you say and Cohen should go to prison, where he should be aware that Muslims poison your food. I don't think lawyers do very well in prison. It is surprising to see a rich lawyer convicted of anything so petty as paying off a porn actress but Mueller is injecting sex into his investigation--is Stormy Daniels, which is a stage name, Russian?

 

[InTheLight]

Cohen should go to prison, where he should be aware that Muslims poison your food.

Wow, what an incredibly strange aside. Islam on the brain?

 

[church mouse guy]

Wow, what an incredibly strange aside. Islam on the brain?

Well, isn't it a shame to have a little bit of money--nothing in comparison to Bill Gates or Carlos Slim or the lords of silicon valley, the richest oligarchs in the history of the world: Zuckerberg, Dorsey, Page, and Brin--and come up with such bad legal representation? I know that I would have a difficult time deciding on a lawyer here in Indianapolis, and I am acquainted with a lot of them from when I worked downtown. As for the Islam practice of poisoning your food, I read about a case in Olney prison, did you hear about it? Don't misunderstand me, I think that Cohen should be locked up and the key thrown away just for hiring Lanny Davis.

 

[Yeshua1]

She's already been found not guilty on all of those counts. I mean a real crime not a false one you keep repeating.

Sje was NEVER brought to a trial, not before ajudge nor Jury, and even the FBI director at the time saw her guilty, but to save her, he changed the legal definition of what constituted a felony!

 

[Yeshua1]

She's already been found not guilty on all of those counts. I mean a real crime not a false one you keep repeating.

The frustrating thing is that Cohen took the plea deal for things that he did not even do that were illegal!

 

[Yeshua1]

Where is the Russian collusion in this?

There is none,a s the fake media and lobs realize that there never was any to start with!

 

[FollowTheWay]

It is not illegal to make a cash payment to a porn actress who is blackmailing you. Cohen was the lawyer and Trump was the client. Cohen knew the law so if Cohen did something illegal, then he is a criminal as you say and Cohen should go to prison, where he should be aware that Muslims poison your food. I don't think lawyers do very well in prison. It is surprising to see a rich lawyer convicted of anything so petty as paying off a porn actress but Mueller is injecting sex into his investigation--is Stormy Daniels, which is a stage name, Russian?

Trump approached her in a threatening way basically forcing her silence and gave her money to do so. She didn't threaten or force him to do anything.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The frustrating thing is that Cohen took the plea deal for things that he did not even do that were illegal!

That's a ridiculous statement. Would you voluntarily take a 4-6 yr. fed. prison term?

 

[church mouse guy]

Trump approached her in a threatening way basically forcing her silence and gave her money to do so. She didn't threaten or force him to do anything.

And she did not stay silent either and took the money, too. She is so homely to me, yuck. I hope Cohen does very hard time with no parole and no pardon.

 

[Gold Dragon]

If Dershowitz says that it was not illegal to pay off a porn star

This is true. But that is not one of the crimes that Cohen plead guilty to.

These guys do a good job of addressing Dershowitz's statements which are true ... to an extent.

Donald Trump and hush money: On par with jaywalking?

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The key divide among legal scholars is whether the payments should be seen as essentially personal.

Federal election law says something is personal if a candidate would have incurred the cost regardless of the campaign. The technical language is an expense that would "exist irrespective of the candidate’s election campaign."

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But at the end of the day, the personal vs. campaign test isn’t based on the account the money came from, but whether the cost would have come regardless of Trump running for office.

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Intentionality is key.

Cohen described a careful process to pay McDougal and Daniels in ways that would fly beneath the radar. He created two shell companies to hide the source of the funds. He fronted the money, then submitted invoices for legal work he never did to get repaid by Trump.

And this is where the real legal hazard comes in.

That effort could run afoul of federal election law’s "knowing and willful" standard. While most reporting violations involve systemic accounting lapses that draw fines, a conscious scheme to keep activities hidden can trigger criminal penalties with a maximum penalty of five years in prison.

Trump tweeted Aug. 22, "President Obama had a big campaign finance violation and it was easily settled!"

The 2008 Obama campaign did pay a $375,000 fine for failing to file 48-hour reports on about 1,300 late arriving contributions worth about $1.8 million. But the Federal Election Commission treated that as an administrative infraction, not a ploy to deceive the public.

If Trump were in the dark about the payments, Frampton wrote, he would be on safe ground. But "if he was involved in orchestrating the pay-off," he could face charges.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I also found this interesting article about Dershowitz which explains how his opposition to the Muller investigation might be consistent with his previous legal views. It seems that the concern Dershowitz has is less about the threat that Trump poses to American democracy but the lengths to which Trump's opposition may go could be the greater threat. It definitely is a view worth considering and my personal view is that the response to Trump is vitally important for the survival of American democracy and what comes after Trump (whether from the right or the left) has a large potential to be much more harmful than Trump.

‘What Happened to Alan Dershowitz?’

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“I’m sort of half-sympathetic for Alan pointing out that the left has been inconsistent, but that’s only one side of the story,” Neuborne said. “Conservatives are inconsistent, too.” On that point, Dershowitz agrees. “Almost everyone’s a hypocrite,” he says.

Talking to him, it’s not hard to get the impression that exposing that truth—the hypocrisy of both sides—may be his ultimate project. As he sees it, the best way to achieve his goal—and to get it the attention it deserves—is by defending the most odious clients in the most provocative possible way on the very principles liberals claim to love. One of Dershowitz’s favorite quotes is H.L. Mencken’s observation that “the trouble about fighting for human freedom is that you have to spend much of your life defending sons of ...

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One’s bottom line on this ultimate question almost certainly turns on one’s perception of the gravity of the current threat to democracy. Perhaps Alan Dershowitz has a greater capacity than the rest of us to separate the transient anxieties of this moment from the bigger risks, and perhaps history will look back upon the Trump presidency as the sort of challenge that demonstrates the resilience of a liberal democracy—a seminal ethical moment like the Skokie marches or the Nuremberg trials, in which society protects procedural rights as it simultaneously expresses profound disagreement with those whose rights are being protected.

Or perhaps the democratic project is under existential threat—and history, if it survives as an independent academic enterprise, will look back pityingly upon civil libertarians who coddled power with their concerns about prosecutorial overreach while a fundamentally corrupt president undermined the great American project.

For his part, Dershowitz is optimistic. “I think the fear is not substantial,” he said of the threat to democracy. “The media is very strong. We’re seeing some Republicans draw red lines. We’re seeing the academy stand up to him.” If anything, Silverglate sees our treatment of Trump as the threat, and thinks Dershowitz does too. “I have no doubt Alan feels danger to this society if Trump is run roughshod over,” he said.

 

[church mouse guy]

Dershowitz has always been a liberal Democrat and he voted for Hillary. But he is not a leftist. A lot of his critics are Jew haters. Dershowitz was the leading law professor at Harvard and in the USA; he recently retired. His legal advice is solid traditional American law.

There were no campaign funds given to the porn star and it was a personal expenditure that had nothing to do with Russia or anything else about the campaign. The last that I heard the porn star was appearing at a strip joint in Columbus, Ohio.

 

[Revmitchell]

America doesn't have a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. Trump if making it better not worse.