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  1. Eliyahu

    Eliyahu Active Member
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    Was Jacob wrong when he said I have seen God face to face, calling the place Peniel ( Gen 32:30) ?

    Another example is Gen 31:13.
    The Angel declare " I am God of Bethel"

    Can any angel call himself < God> ?

    Do you know that there are 2 kinds of angels in the Bible, Malack and Elohim?

    Malack showed up many times in OT. He was met by Manoah couple as well (JUdge 13:18).
    He wrestled with Jacob ( Gen 32:24) and ate the meal provided by Abraham ( Gen 18:1-)

    The reason why He came thru Mary was because He had to take over the nature of the descendants of Abraham, in order to rescue the Adam's race.

    He couldn't take the Cross if He remained as the Angel.

    But by coming into the human world, born in the manger, He had to pass thru all the troubles as a Son of Man, then went to Golgotha.
     
    #41 Eliyahu, Jul 22, 2014
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    The term "angel" simply means "messenger" and yes, the second Person of the Godhead is the "messenger" of the covenant. Again, He had no more of an actual physical body as did angelic beings. Again, this is merely a theophany.

    There are several different kinds of angels (Seraphims, Cheribums, Archangels, etc.). However, men in the Old Testament are called "elohim" when they stand in the position or represent God (Psa. 84) and that is precisely what all angels do. The normal term "malak" merely means "messanger" and it is translated over 90 times as "messenger."



    Therefore, the Son of God did not have a "human" nature prior to the incarnation but had to "take upon himself" the human nature which is inclusive of the human body.



    He never was an "angel" in nature as in the created angels. He was "Spirit" in nature as was the Father and the Holy Spirit.
     
    #42 The Biblicist, Jul 24, 2014
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    testing this forum for posting
     
    #43 The Biblicist, Jul 24, 2014
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    You can believe whatever you want!

    You couldn't explain how the angel could wrestle with Jacob and Jacob mention him as God by Peniel, and the Angel declared himself God. Then Abraham offered 3 Godheads the meals, butter, and meat in Gen 18:1-.
    Jesus didn't take over any nature of Abraham, but He was just another Adam, the second Adam who came to this world to rescue the Adam's race.

    Jesus' body didn't have DNA 50% from Mary 50% from God, but wholly from God.

    You may not understand this, and therefore you can believe whatever you want!
     
    #44 Eliyahu, Jul 25, 2014
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    This was an obvious Christophany. Christ appeared to him.
    In this theophany there were two angels and one God. Abraham remained and talked with God while the two angels proceeded toward Sodom. They are identified by Lot as angels; the account identifies them as angels; the NT identifies them as angels, and therefore they were angels, and not "gods." In this you are wrong.
    He was the Second Adam. He came in human flesh. This is known as the incarnation. A study of John 1 would be good for you. This is much different than the appearances made in the OT.
    In one account it says he was conceived of Mary.
    In another account it says he was conceived of the Holy Spirit.
    How do you reconcile those two statements.
    He was fully God and fully man at the same time.
    It sounds like you are believing whatever you want but not believing the Bible.

    Answer this:
    Do you believe in the trinity: the triune Godhead: three persons in one Godhead, each equal, co-eternal with each other, none of them created.

    Do you believe that Jesus Christ was fully human while on earth, that his flesh came through the virgin Mary, that is in the incarnation--that the Word (that is Christ) was made flesh (John 1:1,14,18).
     
    #45 DHK, Jul 25, 2014
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