Collecting Bible Versions

[michelle]

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The obvious answer to the questions is that He did not do those things that DeclareHim asked about. The KJOists are lacking:

• a motive
• eye witnesses
• affidavits from God
• evidence of any kind whatsoever
• common sense
• a knowledge of the Bible
• a knowledge of the Biblical languages
• a knowledge of textual criticism
• a knowledge of linguistics
• a knowledge of history
• a sound mind
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Not at all lacking in:

-motive:

Faith in God's word and promises
-eye witness: 1.)the Holy Bible (scriptures) we hold in our hands, 2.)generations of Bible Believers have had, believed and used,(history) 3.)the Holy Spirit of truth that guides us to all truth, and 4.)faith

-affidavids from God:

Gen.3:1, Exodus 20:1, Deut. 8:3, Psalm 1:1, 11:3, 12,19:9, 105:8,119:89,103,152,160, Prov.3:5-6, 14:14-15, 30:5-6,
Isaiah 40:8, Matt. 4:4, 5:18, 18:16, Mark 4:14-15 Luke 4:18, 22, 21:33, John 6:45,58,63, 7:17,8:31-32,16:13,17:17, Romans 16:17,
2 Corinth. 6:14-18, 1 Thess.4:18, 2 Thess.3:6,14,
2 Tim. 3:6, 2 Peter 1:23-25,2 John 4-11,
Rev. 19:9-10, 21:5-6
22: 6-9,14-20

-evidence of any kind whatsoever:

refer back to all the above

-common sense:

We have that and so much more - FAITH in the scriptures and what the Lord has said about them in the scriptures to which is also applied in our lives, and concerning this issue.

- a knowledge of the Bible:

We wouldn't have knowledge of our Lord and Saviour without the knowledge and understanding of the Bible.

- a knowledge of Biblical Languages:

THIS IS NOT REQUIRED, NOR BIBLICALLY REQUIRED, and therefore uneccessary for us in this day since God has already provided.


- a knowledge of textual critism:

again, we do not need this knowledge, but do understand the basic principles of it, to which is all we need to know concerning this issue (refer to the scriptures given above as to why).

- a knowledge of linguistics:

again, not necessary for the average born again believer, as we ALREADY HAVE GOD'S WORDS as he provided them.

- a knowledge of History:

We have this also, some more than others, but is really today, unecessary, unless one doubts the words of God and his promises concerning them in the first place.

- a sound mind:

We have much better than that - the mind of Christ Jesus.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Let me see - I'll think I'll tackle one proof text.

Genesis 3v1 - "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman. Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

Now I see it - that is a definite proof text to refute all versions other than the KJV. It's right there, can the rest of you see it?

Thank you michelle! Now I see it all clearly!

 

[michelle]

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The lengths many will all go to, even at the expense of faith in God's very words, to attack the words of God in order to attack the mv's is very unbelievable .

Wow michelle - you and I think almost alike .
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Unfortunately you are thinking twisted and opposite from the truth. The truth is that the mv's have attacked God's preserved pure words as he has already provided to all of us within the churches for centuries.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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Let me see - I'll think I'll tackle one proof text.

Genesis 3v1 - "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman. Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

Now I see it - that is a definite proof text to refute all versions other than the KJV. It's right there, can the rest of you see it?

Thank you michelle! Now I see it all clearly!
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It might do yourself and others well, if you read the scriptures as a whole, rather than focus solely on one verse. We are to rightly divide the word of God, and we are also to be taught, learn, study and grow in the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Exodus 20v1 - "And God spake all these words saying"
Deuteronomy 8v3 - "And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger,and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Psalm 1v1 - "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, not [typo error in my Thomas Nelson KJV Open Bible] sitteth in the seat of the scornful"
Psalm 11v3 - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righeous do"

Enough for now. Michelle, would you be so good as to instruct me in how these verses suport the KJVO view?

 

[Craigbythesea]

-affidavids from God:

Gen.3:1, Exodus 20:1, Deut. 8:3, Psalm 1:1, 11:3, 12,19:9, 105:8,119:89,103,152,160, Prov.3:5-6, 14:14-15, 30:5-6,
Isaiah 40:8, Matt. 4:4, 5:18, 18:16, Mark 4:14-15 Luke 4:18, 22, 21:33, John 6:45,58,63, 7:17,8:31-32,16:13,17:17, Romans 16:17,
2 Corinth. 6:14-18, 1 Thess.4:18, 2 Thess.3:6,14,
2 Tim. 3:6, 2 Peter 1:23-25,2 John 4-11,
Rev. 19:9-10, 21:5-6
22: 6-9,14-20

Michelle,

You should have read these verses before you posted them. They are not talking about the KJV; they are talking about the Latin Vulgate and the evil doers that use some other translation!

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob:
God preserved His Word in translations?

If God did not preserve His word in translations, we would not have the Bible in our mother tongue. First, God preserved His words in apographs before secondly, translation derived from Greek/Hebrew texts.

If I copy an inspired document, that copy (if accurate) will preserve the original Word.

Yes, that is how God preserved His word in translation. For example, John 1:1

TR Greek Text

en arch hn o logos kai o logos hn pros ton qeon kai qeos hn o logos

KJV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NIV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ASV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ESV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The wording of John 1:1 is identical to the wording of the autographa because this verse is part of the 93% agreement of the texts.

But if I translate it into a receptor language, I have changed from "copying" into "interpreting".

Sticky! Interpreting must be wrong if using Dynamic Equivalence. You see, the difference between translating and interpreting is what you know their description. Both of them are not same to comminicate. Translating from foregin language to English language is word for word. Interpreting from hearing people to deaf people is grammar.

[ July 26, 2004, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: Askjo ]

 

[michelle]

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Michelle,

You should have read these verses before you posted them. They are not talking about the KJV; they are talking about the Latin Vulgate and the evil doers that use some other translation!
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They are speaking about God's words and how we are to understand them, and the importance of them, and to know that we faithful will always have them and indeed NEED them. You focus on the "name" that has been given to the translation of the very words of God's word, rather than the very words of God themselves. This is where you error in understanding.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Askjo:


Sticky! Interpreting must be wrong if using Dynamic Equivalence. You see, the difference between translating and interpreting is what you know their description. Both of them are not same to comminicate. Translating from foregin language to English language is word for word. Interpreting from hearing people to deaf people is grammar.

Now THAT is an excellent point and my problem with the NIV and others like it - translation vs. interpretation. Thank you Askjo!

 

[DeclareHim]

Michelle-"The truth is that the mv's have attacked God's preserved pure words"

And how have they done that?

 

[michelle]

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Michelle-"The truth is that the mv's have attacked God's preserved pure words"

And how have they done that?
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Because they have taken out what God has preserved, and put holes in his words, which ultimately will put holes in the saints armour, to which we are to sheild ourselves with, and to which is also our nutrition and a healthy spiritual life and walk with the Lord. Those that stand for the errors, are condoning this sin of altering God's pure words. God warns not to add to, nor take away from his words. His words are what keep the faithful in safety from the words of the wicked. If we abide in His words, then we can be assured that that armour will hold up, for it is God's armour that protects us. If we have the proper diet and nutrition, we will be kept healthy. But if that armour has holes, or has been weakened, the enemy COULD penetrate it. If we do not recieve the proper nutrition in our diet, then we become weak and sick.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Ed Edwards]

Strange how every thread has to divert
to the MVs versus KJVs argument.

The topic here is Collecting Bibles.

I've got two of my 8 grandchildren staying
this week. They went to the Oklahoma Southern
Baptist youth camp last week at Falls Creek,
Oklahoma. The are all pumped up about that.
Anyway, while i was gone to work they where
looking at the Bible collection by my
computer. It is up to 15 Bibles now.
I grabbed a Jehovah's Witness (JW)
New World Translation (NWT) from my church.
(the preacher preached Sunday that
if you see a problem at Church then
God called you to fix it. I think he was
speaking of trash on the grounds? But it
applies here) So i took the NWT home,
cause it aught not to be in a Bible Believing
Baptist (BBB) church like ours.

3 John 2: "I still need to buy a Moffat,
Rethoerham & ESV."

Tricks of adding to your BIble collection and
remaining debut free:

1. Listen to preachers that got kicked out
of church and haven't got a secular job yet.
They will be selling their collection cheap.

2. At your Bible book store check the
rejects. Usually you can find a $50
new Bible with someone's name on it other
than your own. But it may only cost $12.

3. Ask Santa for a Bible

every year.
When you get old and 60 like me, think
of how many BIbles you will have.

Praise Iesus, the unique Sonne of God

 

[3John2]

I like the Christmas tip. Never thought of that one.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by 3John2:
I like the Christmas tip. Never thought of that one.

Merry "The Christ"-mass

Praise Iesus, Sonne of God!

 

[EaglewingIS4031]

I use the Christmas tactic. That way I can read a different version every year.
However, This year I think I wiil ask Santa for the John McAuthor study Bible, It's NKJV and I have already read that one. So in 2005, I will read the HCSB I bought back in April.

 

[3John2]

I'm thinking of buying a Macarthur as well just for the notes. Having said that I DO love the NKJV.

 

[robycop3]

Michelle:Not at all lacking in:

-motive:

Faith in God's word and promises
-eye witness: 1.)

Where is His promise to not supervise the providing of His word after 1611?


the Holy Bible (scriptures) we hold in our hands, 2.)

I have two hands which can hold about 20 versions at once if I balance'em properly.

generations of Bible Believers have had, believed and used,(history) 3.)

Ignoring the 1500 years of gererations before AV time.

the Holy Spirit of truth that guides us to all truth,

Of which KJVO is not part of


and 4.)faith

Blind faith in a man-made myth.

Hebrews 11:1, KJV
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Scriptural faith requires a basis. That's why Jesus enabled His disciples to perform miracles by His power, to show people they weren't just paying lip service to yet another man-made god. thus, if you have faith that the KJV is the ONLY valid English-language BV, then you must have justification for it or you're living a lie.

-affidavids from God:

Gen.3:1, Exodus 20:1, Deut. 8:3, Psalm 1:1, 11:3, 12,19:9, 105:8,119:89,103,152,160, Prov.3:5-6, 14:14-15, 30:5-6,
Isaiah 40:8, Matt. 4:4, 5:18, 18:16, Mark 4:14-15 Luke 4:18, 22, 21:33, John 6:45,58,63, 7:17,8:31-32,16:13,17:17, Romans 16:17,
2 Corinth. 6:14-18, 1 Thess.4:18, 2 Thess.3:6,14,
2 Tim. 3:6, 2 Peter 1:23-25,2 John 4-11,
Rev. 19:9-10, 21:5-6
22: 6-9,14-20

In all those verses, there's not one peep of support for the KJVO myth, or for any one-versionism whatsoever. In an earlier post, C4K provided a typical example.

-evidence of any kind whatsoever:

refer back to all the above

After doing so, the above statement still stands true.

-common sense:

We have that and so much more - FAITH in the scriptures and what the Lord has said about them in the scriptures to which is also applied in our lives, and concerning this issue.

As I stated above, faith in the KJVO myth is BLIND FAITH, not SCRIPTURAL faith, which is based upon the evidence God has presented.

The best example of Scriptural faith is the example of JESUS HIMSELF. He proved He was "not just another pretty face" by fulfilling every prophecy written about Him in the OT. He called mens' attention to this fact more than once. And He performed miracles not done before or since. He PROVED the claims about Himself. Now, where's any PROOF for the veracity of the KJVO myth?

- a knowledge of the Bible:

We wouldn't have knowledge of our Lord and Saviour without the knowledge and understanding of the Bible.

Right. But, a THOROUGH knowledge of the Bible shows the KJVO myth it be just that...a MYTH.

- a knowledge of Biblical Languages:

THIS IS NOT REQUIRED, NOR BIBLICALLY REQUIRED, and therefore uneccessary for us in this day since God has already provided.

But every Christian should explore the subject as best he/she can. If our Bibles are not made from the closest known sources to the originals, how accurate are they?


- a knowledge of textual critism:

again, we do not need this knowledge, but do understand the basic principles of it, to which is all we need to know concerning this issue (refer to the scriptures given above as to why).

Then how can you sit there & categorically state that any ms not used to make the KJV is wrong?

- a knowledge of linguistics:

again, not necessary for the average born again believer, as we ALREADY HAVE GOD'S WORDS as he provided them.

God provided His words in the languages of His writers & allowed later generations to translate them. He has NOT stopped this method of supplying His words to modern man.

- a knowledge of History:

We have this also, some more than others, but is really today, unecessary, unless one doubts the words of God and his promises concerning them in the first place.

If you really wanna know more about God's words, you really should learn more history, to be more fully prepared to answer a lost person's questions-and to avoid falling for such false doctrines as KJVO.

- a sound mind:

We have much better than that - the mind of Christ Jesus.

Then you should abandon KJVO, as that myth nor any other one-version myth certainly isn't from JESUS' mind. Luke 4:16-21 proves that.

 

[michelle]

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The best example of Scriptural faith is the example of JESUS HIMSELF. He proved He was "not just another pretty face" by fulfilling every prophecy written about Him in the OT. He called mens' attention to this fact more than once. And He performed miracles not done before or since. He PROVED the claims about Himself. Now, where's any PROOF for the veracity of the KJVO myth?

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Yes indeed Jesus did do that, he most certainly proved himself and do you know HOW HE PROVED HIMSELF? Through the scriptures, the very words of God that you deny HE has power and control over through fallible men. But most of the people didn't BELIEVE HIS PROOF. And you know what? Because of the lack of faith they all cried crucify him, crucify him. And his apostles denied and doubted him also. They denied the proof he had given them, because they didn't believe the proof. They were blinded to understanding the scriptures to which WAS THE PROOF.

Please refer to Luke 8.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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But every Christian should explore the subject as best he/she can. If our Bibles are not made from the closest known sources to the originals, how accurate are they?
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Where does God command us to doubt his words? Please refer to Genesis 3:1

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Dr. Bob]

We don't doubt His Words. We doubt the translators being inspired.

Oh, wait, the translators AREN'T inspired. God's WORD is.