Collecting Bible Versions

[michelle]

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Originally posted by Askjo:
The Forbidden Book
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You talking the book of Dr. Donald J. Wolfram,
Pillar of Fire Church?

http://www.belleview-college.org/at/Sermons/djw/djw-bible3x-Dec-98.html

BTW, it usually is fruitless to try to
confirm what some other poster said
by you citing a cultic source.
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If this statement had any truth to it, then you would not be able to use even the quotes from the Roman Catholic Church itself. The truth about this fact will be confirmed by other writings about this on this and in that churches history itself. Everyone knows that this is the truth. Stop trying to argue against the truth to justify your excuses before God. God Almighty knows and will not forget, and we all will have to give an account for every word spoken, and judged by the very words of the Lord that he has given.

Matthew 12

35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Revelation 20
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The "book of life" are the very words of God.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[HankD]

Go to any message boards where there are Roman Catholics, observe, and you will see.

There are Catholics posting here at the BB in the all-Christian forums. I have debated with them, some have a vast knowledge of Scripture, some no nothing, most know a little.

As a former Catholic, I can bear witness that, as a young lad I was taught the Baltimore Catechism, which, at the time, had little or no Scripture.

I was never encouraged to read the Bible. At that time the mass which incorporates quite a bit of Scripture was in Latin.

There was an English Scripture reading from the Gospels (different on each Sunday of the year) from the Douay-Rheims English Bible (many many readings are identical to the KJV, however it preceded the KJV by 30 years). Then a homily which was supposed to be based upon the reading.

HankD

 

[michelle]

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Not good enough. Provide the proof, since you made the statement.
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I cannot observe this for you, for it is something you must do for yourself. This is why I said, go check yourself, if you do not believe me. I am also not your researcher, and you nor anyone else should take only my word on things. It is your responsibity for you to study it, not me for you. You are to see if what I am saying is the truth. Not for me to prove it to you. I can't prove anything to you, as this can only come from a conviction on your end. The evidence can be found regarding this, through observation, not through tangible means. It is brainwashing, that is evident, but only through observation of how they believe and what they say.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

michelle wrote:

I can't prove anything to you...

Exactamundo (to quote Barney Fife)

 

[rsr]

"The evidence can be found regarding this, through observation, not through tangible means."

So, it can't be proved, so it must be true?

It really gets tiresome.

 

[Ed Edwards]

"The Pillar of Fire Church is an Evangelical
Protestant Denomination with roots
in the Wesleyan-Episcopal tradition."

Sorry about the "cult".

But this does point out the trouble talking to
other folk. "Cult" can mean anything from
1. does not agree with my doctrine
to
8. mind control of the members by the leader

Obviously "Pillar of Fire Church" is NOT a
cult by the more stringint end of this spectrum.
Nor is the Roman Catholic Church a cult.
BTW, "the control of one individual" at the higher
end limits cults to small groups, generally
under 1,000 people.

Nevertheless, i have no fondness of
Wolfram's "church history" or "Bible history".

But I love to prise Jesus in 17th Century talk:

Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

[Ed Edwards]

Proper form for a scripture quotation:

Revelation 20:11-12 (KJV1769)
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Michelle: //The "book of life" are the very words of God.//

Sorry, the "book of life" is a metaphor for any form
of record keeping. If God chooses to use a compter,
instead of a book, should we fuss?
Maybe God has a good memory and doesn't need to
use an external memory?


But I love to prise Jesus in 17th Century talk:

Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

[michelle]

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Those MVs are in a DIFFERENT LANGUAGE
which just happens to be called "English".

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Those mv's are those versions that are from a different stream of texts and methods of translation from that of the history of the churches. This is to what is being spoken of. Those things different from the churches, and a "new" thing for that time (and this one also) claiming to be the same thing but better and more accurate. This was proven by the faithful in history, to be incorrect, and determined so by the FAITHFUL and did not prosper. It wormed it's way over here, after FAILING to be accepted there, and was also REBUKED and found IN ERROR, and also REJECTED by the FAITHFUL. Not until the apostacy began within the churches, were these mv's that had been long REJECTED BY THE FAITHFUL, were now being ACCEPTED. Why? I suspect it is because of 2 Tim.4:1-4. Why? because of:

2 Thessalonians 2

1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Why? Because:

2 Timothy 3

1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10. But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11. Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Now listen to our Lord Jesus specific words to those of his day:

Matthew 16

1. The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2. He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
The Forbidden Book

You talking the book of Dr. Donald J. Wolfram,
Pillar of Fire Church?

http://www.belleview-college.org/at/Sermons/djw/djw-bible3x-Dec-98.html
</font>[/QUOTE]No, it was NOT him. The book, The Forbidden Book talked about William Tyndale and the first English Bible. This reflects to a Christiam pilgrim.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by michelle:
God Almighty knows and will not forget, and we all will have to give an account for every word spoken, and judged by the very words of the Lord that he has given.

Or we will TREMBLE at His word.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Michelle: "Not until the apostacy began within the churches, were these mv's that had been long REJECTED BY THE FAITHFUL, were now being ACCEPTED."

Your argument is not supported by the church history
that i know. From 325AD when the WHOLE CHURCH went to whoring
with the Roman Empire until the reformation of the 1500s --
a faithful group was an isolated even. There were whole
centuries and whole continents where there was NO
faithful church.

2 Timothy 3:1 (KJV1769):
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

When did the "Last Days" begin?
It was pronounced begun in 33AD by Peter:
Acts 2:17 (HCSB):
And it will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out My Spirit on all humanity; then your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

We have been in the last days from 33AD unto 2004AD.
So read 2 Timothy 3 as the description of the days in
which we live. Read 2 Timothy 3 as SIGNS THE CHURCH
AGE continues.

Please straighten your bowels. Please read,
Matthew 16:1-4, you need to observe those instructions.

But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:

Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

[michelle]

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When did the "Last Days" begin?
It was pronounced begun in 33AD by Peter:
Acts 2:17 (HCSB):
And it will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out My Spirit on all humanity; then your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

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Where did I say that the last days weren't until now? I never said that. The last days began from the time of the crucifiction of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ even up until now.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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Your argument is not supported by the church history
that i know. From 325AD when the WHOLE CHURCH went to whoring
with the Roman Empire until the reformation of the 1500s --
a faithful group was an isolated even. There were whole
centuries and whole continents where there was NO
faithful church.
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There have ALWAYS BEEN faithful believers throughout the history of the church and of the world. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the words of the Lord preserved for us as he promised.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Askjo]

Many heretics and apostates among in earliest churches dealt deceitfully with the word of God. They did corrupted the word of God from 3rd Century until now and hereafter. They dealt deceitfully with their MVs today.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by michelle:
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Your argument is not supported by the church history
that i know. From 325AD when the WHOLE CHURCH went to whoring
with the Roman Empire until the reformation of the 1500s --
a faithful group was an isolated even. There were whole
centuries and whole continents where there was NO
faithful church.
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There have ALWAYS BEEN faithful believers throughout the history of the church and of the world. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the words of the Lord preserved for us as he promised.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

Why was there a need when there wasn't a perfect Bible until 1611?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by michelle:
There have ALWAYS BEEN faithful believers throughout the history of the church and of the world. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the words of the Lord preserved for us as he promised.

This is a totally new and
un-Baptist teaching: that God cannot preserve
the written words without preserving the people.

In fact, you have Psalms 12:7 confused again.
Psalm 12:7 does NOT refer to the
parenthetic statement in Psalm 12:6
The pronouns in Psalm 12:7 do Not have
referrents in Psalm 12:6 but in Psalm 12:5.
According to Psalm 12:7 it is God's
individuals who are preserved (for eternity
as shown in other books of the Bible), NOT
God's Holy Written Word. BTW, one can
make a good Biblical
case that God does preserve His
Holy Written Words, it just ain't in Psalm 12.

The "in fact" of the previous paragraph
can be seen if you would bother to use
the REAL King James Version, the 1611
Edition and read the footnote.
"They" ("he" in some sources) referres to
the people in verse 5 not the words in verse 6.

Sad to see whole doctrines hinge on one's
misunderstanding of the resolution of one
pronoun in one verse. The "they" in Psalm 12:7
is worse than the initial "he" in
Daniel 9:27 in this regard.

But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:

Praise Iesus, Sonne of God