College professors

[pinoybaptist]

Why was the crude comment deleted ?
Is freedom of speech good to discuss, but not good to practice ?
Why do we have censorship on this board ? Why can't we use the four letter words that college professors (at least some) use even in class, and which actors and actresses use because the "script" demands it ?

Going further, why do government or whatever body it is that regulates them tell tv shows to warn the viewing public that some material may be upsetting to children and then allow these same "children" the freedom to buy the most graphic and violent games ?

Somebody said: "at the end of the day, it's just a piece of cloth". Well, isn't it also true that swear words and crude phrases may be offensive to some but at the end of the day, it's just words ?

I have the same feelings as the answers many of you will use here.

Pinoybaptist: This is a Christian board, and Christians should speak with grace.
Pinoybaptist: We need to represent our Lord to "unbelievers", and we cannot make a positive "witness" if we use cuss words and swear words and crude statements.

Yadayadayada and more yadayadayada.

Hey, that "piece of cloth" is the AMERICAN flag. Troops who bleed and die in the battlefields or in foreign wars fight under that flag, that flag leads the troops to battle, that flag has HISTORY. That flag inspires courage, raises morale, and spurs troops to victory. It ain't just no darned piece of cloth.

I want other peoples to respect America and Americans, first thing I do is respect my country's own symbols, not think of it as just "some piece of cloth".

 

[Salty]

...or were arrested defending free speech.

I wonder if credid if the student were to spread rumurs about the professor? :tonofbricks: Well the professor does believe in full and uncesored free speech doesnt he?:type:

 

[KenH]

Troops who bleed and die in the battlefields or in foreign wars fight under that flag, that flag leads the troops to battle, that flag has HISTORY. That flag inspires courage, raises morale, and spurs troops to victory.

Your nationalism is duly noted, pinoybaptist.

Those troops you mentioned, you know, the ones who died to preserve our freedom in these United States, well, that's what they were dying for, pinoybaptist, the freedom for some imbecile to burn an American flag.

 

[moondg]

The flag must be retired by burning.
The flag code says "PREFERABLY by burning", meaning that burying, or other method can be done when burning is not feasible. As Scouters though, we should consider the BSA recommendation as described in "Our Flag" which specifies burning. As we generally retire flags during a campfire program, this should not be a big deal. Additionally, a flag retirement by fire is permanent.
http://members.aol.com/StanDCmr/flagret.html

It depends on why you are burning it.

 

[StefanM]

Hey, that "piece of cloth" is the AMERICAN flag. Troops who bleed and die in the battlefields or in foreign wars fight under that flag, that flag leads the troops to battle, that flag has HISTORY. That flag inspires courage, raises morale, and spurs troops to victory. It ain't just no darned piece of cloth.

I want other peoples to respect America and Americans, first thing I do is respect my country's own symbols, not think of it as just "some piece of cloth".

1) I don't deny the intense symbolism of the American flag. I have had several family members serve in the military. And yes, they have bled in service, too. See my above post for the particulars.

2) The symbolic value of the flag in no way makes it something other than a piece of cloth. It's a flag. It carries no inherent value. Its value is in our perception of it. Our freedoms are more important than the flag.

3) I think desecrating the flag is inappropriate, but I strongly believe in the right to desecrate it. IMO, one has a constitutional right to be an idiot.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

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[NiteShift]

I think desecrating the flag is inappropriate, but I strongly believe in the right to desecrate it. IMO, one has a constitutional right to be an idiot.

Do college professors have a constitutional right to be an idiot on the taxpayer's dime?

Would you defend this professor's right to indoctrinate if he was encouraging cross-burning, or offering extra credit for students who burned Jesse Jackson in effigy?

 

[KenH]

Do college professors have a constitutional right to be an idiot on the taxpayer's dime?

You make a great argument as to why we should have separation of education and state.

It is up to the people in charge of the university to decide what is allowed or not allowed. This is not a free speech issue any more than if one is a poor representative of the company that one works for that the company can take action against said employee.

 

[StefanM]

Do college professors have a constitutional right to be an idiot on the taxpayer's dime?

Would you defend this professor's right to indoctrinate if he was encouraging cross-burning, or offering extra credit for students who burned Jesse Jackson in effigy?

That is a slightly different scenario. Expression that is also intimidation is not necessarily protected speech.

 

[NiteShift]

You make a great argument as to why we should have separation of education and state.

It is up to the people in charge of the university to decide what is allowed or not allowed. This is not a free speech issue any more than if one is a poor representative of the company that one works for that the company can take action against said employee.

I can agree with that KenH.

That is a slightly different scenario. Expression that is also intimidation is not necessarily protected speech.

Well burning in effigy is I think protected speech. The point is that rather than teaching, the professor is pushing a certain political viewpoint, and offering extra credit if you adopt his as your own.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

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