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Colorado Supremes kick Trump off ballot

Will this decision stand

  • SCOTUS will overturn it

    Votes: 9 100.0%
  • SCOTUS will let it stand

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SCOTUS will not hear the case, letting it stand

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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777

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You got that right, illegal immigration suppresses wages and increases housing costs.

well, I don't know about that - I have heard that the Lt. Gov. of Texas is talking about taking Biden off the ballot because of the open border. I think this is a dangerous precedent but when all's done and said, I have to wonder if COSC was just virtue-signaling:

therefore, to maintain the status quo pending any review by the U.S. Supreme Court, we stay our ruling until January 4, 2024 (the day before the Secretary’s deadline to certify the content of the presidential primary ballot). If review is sought in the Supreme Court before the stay expires on January 4, 2024, then the stay shall remain in place, and the Secretary will continue to be required to include President Trump’s name on the 2024 presidential primary ballot, until the receipt of any order or mandate from the Supreme Court.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf

on page 10 there. So they stayed their own decision - their primary could be over if and when SCOTUS hears this case. I do think if it gets that far, it'll probably be struck down 7-2 or more. No due process, CO tried to say Trump did try to incite an insurrection but:

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Earth Wind and Fire

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The court used the 14th amendment which states those involved in “insurrection” cannot hold public office.

They quoted the findings of the Jan 6 committee, which was a completely partisan exercise that had the one purpose of keeping DT from running again. Looks like Colorado Supremes got the memo and do not care they are the ones….

….. destroying democracy!!!!

FTR, DT has not been charged with insurrection in any court, much less been convicted.

peace to you
Bingo
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
You got that right, illegal immigration suppresses wages and increases housing costs.

well, I don't know about that - I have heard that the Lt. Gov. of Texas is talking about taking Biden off the ballot because of the open border. I think this is a dangerous precedent but when all's done and said, I have to wonder if COSC was just virtue-signaling:



https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf

on page 10 there. So they stayed their own decision - their primary could be over if and when SCOTUS hears this case. I do think if it gets that far, it'll probably be struck down 7-2 or more. No due process, CO tried to say Trump did try to incite an insurrection but:

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Very good info. I’m wondering why they waited until just before Christmas to make the ruling. That gives very little time for any appeal to SCOTUS and for them to agree to hear it right in the middle of two holidays.

It is a very underhanded, truly partisan move on the part of the highest court in Colorado. Shameful from any legal perspective.

peace to you
 

Revmitchell

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Very good info. I’m wondering why they waited until just before Christmas to make the ruling. That gives very little time for any appeal to SCOTUS and for them to agree to hear it right in the middle of two holidays.

It is a very underhanded, truly partisan move on the part of the highest court in Colorado. Shameful from any legal perspective.

peace to you

It's not just the court there is a far left group called "Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington which drives these lawsuits from state tot state. Reports are these efforts are funded by Soros.
 

Roy Kling

Active Member
Trump is much wiser than he was during his term. This makes him much the more dangerous to the libs. I believe the bag of dirty tricks has just been opened and this ploy is just among the first of those tricks to be employed. I doubt they will stop at anything short of murder to keep Trump out of the White House. Yes, I do think they are that evil.
 

canadyjd

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Just saw SCOTUS has declined to hear Smiths case about whether DT has immunity.

This means that case must be heard by the lower court first, then a ruling, then an appeal then another ruling before the trail begins.

No way that gets done before March (current trial date) and could push that trial beyond 2024 election.

Very good news for DT. Maybe the rule of law will win out after all.

peace to you
 

MrW

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I don't think that the U.S. Supreme Court will let this stand. This case in Colorado is only about the primary, not the general election; and there is little chance that Donald Trump would win Colorado in the 2024 general election.

God is the one who ordains leaders in His absolute sovereignty over all of His creation, regardless of whether they are elected or otherwise, and regardless of how well or poorly an election is administered.

That kind of thinking leads to fatalism and apathy. I know God set up kings in the Old Testament. Today, we do not have a theocracy, but God has allowed us self-government. God allows us to choose our leaders. If we, as Christians, do not turn out and vote, then the lost will choose our leaders.
 

taisto

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That kind of thinking leads to fatalism and apathy. I know God set up kings in the Old Testament. Today, we do not have a theocracy, but God has allowed us self-government. God allows us to choose our leaders. If we, as Christians, do not turn out and vote, then the lost will choose our leaders.
The lost are choosing Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Are the redeemed supposed to vote for those who are chosen by the lost?
 

canadyjd

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The lost are choosing Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Are the redeemed supposed to vote for those who are chosen by the lost?
Please don’t hijack this thread. Start another if you want to discuss that.

If you want to discuss the subject of the OP, please do.

peace to you
 

taisto

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So DT, at this time, is off the primary ballot in Colorado based on the decision by the Colorado State Supreme Court. Do we support States rights in elections or not?
 

KenH

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That kind of thinking leads to fatalism and apathy. I know God set up kings in the Old Testament. Today, we do not have a theocracy, but God has allowed us self-government.

There is no place for fatalism or apathy as God uses means to rule in absolute sovereignty over His creation.

Avaunt with the false teaching of free-willism, that the creature's will can rule over his Creator. The Bible totally teaches the opposite.

Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: And he is the governor among the nations.

Daniel 2:20-22 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: and he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: he revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


I would also at this time like to include this excerpt concerning the idea that man has any sort of self-rule outside of the rule of God:

' David Lipscomb quoting B.U. Watkins in Lipscomb’s book, "On Civil Government: Its Origin, Mission, and Destiny, and the Christian's Relation to It".

“One of the signs of the great Apostacy, was the union of Church and State. Its chosen symbol was a woman upon the back of a seven headed and ten horned beast. It is almost uniformly admitted, among American Protestants, that this is a well chosen symbol to represent the absurd, and unnatural union of Church and State. It is generally conceded, that the woman represents the Church, and the beast the old Roman civil government. This being true, it would appear far more natural for her to be riding the beast, than for him to have his locomotion promoted by the help of the woman! When the State comes forward and proffers its assistance, and the Church voluntarily accepts of such help, it might be a question, which would be the most to blame; the Church for accepting, or the State for offering such assistance. But when the Church gives, unasked, her power to the beast, no excuse can reasonably be pleaded. If the State supporting the Church, is called an adulterous union, I am unable to see, why the union is not equally intimate, and criminal, when the Church supports the State, by participating in all its responsibilities. When the Church offers her fellowship, and co-operation in framing all the laws of the land, and in choosing its judicial and executive officers - when even her members refuse not to become legislators, and are even forward to fill all the offices of human governments, I cannot see, but the relation between church and State, is as intimate as ever, and just as illegal. Ezekiel chided the ancient Hebrews for seeking such union with the nations; and he compares Israel to a woman of the lowest infamy. It is exceedingly painful to me, to see how aptly these symbols of John and Ezekiel apply to modern professors. But how greatly would I rejoice, if the reformation of the 19th century would arise and put on her beautiful garments, and show herself to be the true spouse of Christ. May the good Lord grant that this noble brotherhood, that I so dearly love, may soon see the whole truth! But here, I am met with the objection, that these institutions are ordained of God. And he who resists them resists an ordinance of God, and shall receive punishment. Let me here pause, and remark, that I would sooner be understood as taking the popular view of this passage, rather than appear to countenance any kind of war. Nothing is further from my intention. But the fact of civil government being ordained of God, is no proof of Divine approbation. So long as it can be clearly shown that he has ordained that one sinner should punish another, so long as we read in Isaiah, that Cyrus was sent against Babylon, although he knew not God, so long as we find it not difficult to admit the application of the above passage, to civil government, whether such be its meaning or not. To make the admission saves much time, and leaves the argument much more compact. Something is gained and nothing lost by granting all we can to our opponents. That God can overrule sin, without being responsible for its commission, and without having any complicity with it, is a thing so plain, that to turn aside to explain it would almost be an insult to those for whom these columns are written. Let a hint suffice. Pharaoh was raised up by God for a certain purpose, although his behavior was far from being approved of God. With a few axioms I will close this article. Axiom 1st, No man has the right of making laws for his own government. For such a right would include the double absurdity of making him independent of God, and responsible only to himself! Axiom 2nd. A republican government is one in which power is thought to be delegated by the people to their rulers, in their act of voting. Axiom 3rd. But a man cannot delegate a power he himself does not possess. Hence, INFERENCE 1st. As man has no inherent legislative power, he cannot transfer it to another. Hence, INFERENCE 2nd. Voting is therefore a deception, and a sham, making a deceiver of him, who votes, and a dupe of him who fancies himself the recipient of delegated power.” '


I would also like to add that I have voted in every presidential election since 1976; however, I have found it difficult to work up the motivation to do so in the last two presidential elections and I anticipate that it will be even more difficult to do so in 2024, unless the Libertarian Party chooses a candidate that I really like at their 2024 national convention.
 

taisto

Well-Known Member
There is no place for fatalism or apathy as God uses means to rule in absolute sovereignty over His creation.

Avaunt with the false teaching of free-willism, that the creature's will can rule over his Creator. The Bible totally teaches the opposite.

Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: And he is the governor among the nations.

Daniel 2:20-22 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: and he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: he revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


I would also at this time like to include this excerpt concerning the idea that man has any sort of self-rule outside of the rule of God:

' David Lipscomb quoting B.U. Watkins in Lipscomb’s book, "On Civil Government: Its Origin, Mission, and Destiny, and the Christian's Relation to It".

“One of the signs of the great Apostacy, was the union of Church and State. Its chosen symbol was a woman upon the back of a seven headed and ten horned beast. It is almost uniformly admitted, among American Protestants, that this is a well chosen symbol to represent the absurd, and unnatural union of Church and State. It is generally conceded, that the woman represents the Church, and the beast the old Roman civil government. This being true, it would appear far more natural for her to be riding the beast, than for him to have his locomotion promoted by the help of the woman! When the State comes forward and proffers its assistance, and the Church voluntarily accepts of such help, it might be a question, which would be the most to blame; the Church for accepting, or the State for offering such assistance. But when the Church gives, unasked, her power to the beast, no excuse can reasonably be pleaded. If the State supporting the Church, is called an adulterous union, I am unable to see, why the union is not equally intimate, and criminal, when the Church supports the State, by participating in all its responsibilities. When the Church offers her fellowship, and co-operation in framing all the laws of the land, and in choosing its judicial and executive officers - when even her members refuse not to become legislators, and are even forward to fill all the offices of human governments, I cannot see, but the relation between church and State, is as intimate as ever, and just as illegal. Ezekiel chided the ancient Hebrews for seeking such union with the nations; and he compares Israel to a woman of the lowest infamy. It is exceedingly painful to me, to see how aptly these symbols of John and Ezekiel apply to modern professors. But how greatly would I rejoice, if the reformation of the 19th century would arise and put on her beautiful garments, and show herself to be the true spouse of Christ. May the good Lord grant that this noble brotherhood, that I so dearly love, may soon see the whole truth! But here, I am met with the objection, that these institutions are ordained of God. And he who resists them resists an ordinance of God, and shall receive punishment. Let me here pause, and remark, that I would sooner be understood as taking the popular view of this passage, rather than appear to countenance any kind of war. Nothing is further from my intention. But the fact of civil government being ordained of God, is no proof of Divine approbation. So long as it can be clearly shown that he has ordained that one sinner should punish another, so long as we read in Isaiah, that Cyrus was sent against Babylon, although he knew not God, so long as we find it not difficult to admit the application of the above passage, to civil government, whether such be its meaning or not. To make the admission saves much time, and leaves the argument much more compact. Something is gained and nothing lost by granting all we can to our opponents. That God can overrule sin, without being responsible for its commission, and without having any complicity with it, is a thing so plain, that to turn aside to explain it would almost be an insult to those for whom these columns are written. Let a hint suffice. Pharaoh was raised up by God for a certain purpose, although his behavior was far from being approved of God. With a few axioms I will close this article. Axiom 1st, No man has the right of making laws for his own government. For such a right would include the double absurdity of making him independent of God, and responsible only to himself! Axiom 2nd. A republican government is one in which power is thought to be delegated by the people to their rulers, in their act of voting. Axiom 3rd. But a man cannot delegate a power he himself does not possess. Hence, INFERENCE 1st. As man has no inherent legislative power, he cannot transfer it to another. Hence, INFERENCE 2nd. Voting is therefore a deception, and a sham, making a deceiver of him, who votes, and a dupe of him who fancies himself the recipient of delegated power.” '


I would also like to add that I have voted in every presidential election since 1976; however, I have found it difficult to work up the motivation to do so in the last two presidential elections and I anticipate that it will be even more difficult to do so in 2024, unless the Libertarian Party chooses a candidate that I really like at their 2024 national convention.
The last two elections I voted for Jesus Christ to be president. There has been no one else I could vote for.
 

KenH

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The last two elections I voted for Jesus Christ to be president. There has been no one else I could vote for.

Considering the candidates that the Republican and Democratic Parties have nominated for president in 2016 and 2020, and looking perhaps likely to do a rerun of 2020 in 2024, it is my opinion that this indicates that the United States is clearly an empire in decline.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
Considering the candidates that the Republican and Democratic Parties have nominated for president in 2016 and 2020, and looking perhaps likely to do a rerun of 2020 in 2024, it is my opinion that this indicates that the United States is clearly an empire in decline.
A kingdom divided....
 

MrW

Well-Known Member
There is no place for fatalism or apathy as God uses means to rule in absolute sovereignty over His creation.

Avaunt with the false teaching of free-willism, that the creature's will can rule over his Creator. The Bible totally teaches the opposite.

Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: And he is the governor among the nations.

Daniel 2:20-22 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: and he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: he revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


I would also at this time like to include this excerpt concerning the idea that man has any sort of self-rule outside of the rule of God:

' David Lipscomb quoting B.U. Watkins in Lipscomb’s book, "On Civil Government: Its Origin, Mission, and Destiny, and the Christian's Relation to It".

“One of the signs of the great Apostacy, was the union of Church and State. Its chosen symbol was a woman upon the back of a seven headed and ten horned beast. It is almost uniformly admitted, among American Protestants, that this is a well chosen symbol to represent the absurd, and unnatural union of Church and State. It is generally conceded, that the woman represents the Church, and the beast the old Roman civil government. This being true, it would appear far more natural for her to be riding the beast, than for him to have his locomotion promoted by the help of the woman! When the State comes forward and proffers its assistance, and the Church voluntarily accepts of such help, it might be a question, which would be the most to blame; the Church for accepting, or the State for offering such assistance. But when the Church gives, unasked, her power to the beast, no excuse can reasonably be pleaded. If the State supporting the Church, is called an adulterous union, I am unable to see, why the union is not equally intimate, and criminal, when the Church supports the State, by participating in all its responsibilities. When the Church offers her fellowship, and co-operation in framing all the laws of the land, and in choosing its judicial and executive officers - when even her members refuse not to become legislators, and are even forward to fill all the offices of human governments, I cannot see, but the relation between church and State, is as intimate as ever, and just as illegal. Ezekiel chided the ancient Hebrews for seeking such union with the nations; and he compares Israel to a woman of the lowest infamy. It is exceedingly painful to me, to see how aptly these symbols of John and Ezekiel apply to modern professors. But how greatly would I rejoice, if the reformation of the 19th century would arise and put on her beautiful garments, and show herself to be the true spouse of Christ. May the good Lord grant that this noble brotherhood, that I so dearly love, may soon see the whole truth! But here, I am met with the objection, that these institutions are ordained of God. And he who resists them resists an ordinance of God, and shall receive punishment. Let me here pause, and remark, that I would sooner be understood as taking the popular view of this passage, rather than appear to countenance any kind of war. Nothing is further from my intention. But the fact of civil government being ordained of God, is no proof of Divine approbation. So long as it can be clearly shown that he has ordained that one sinner should punish another, so long as we read in Isaiah, that Cyrus was sent against Babylon, although he knew not God, so long as we find it not difficult to admit the application of the above passage, to civil government, whether such be its meaning or not. To make the admission saves much time, and leaves the argument much more compact. Something is gained and nothing lost by granting all we can to our opponents. That God can overrule sin, without being responsible for its commission, and without having any complicity with it, is a thing so plain, that to turn aside to explain it would almost be an insult to those for whom these columns are written. Let a hint suffice. Pharaoh was raised up by God for a certain purpose, although his behavior was far from being approved of God. With a few axioms I will close this article. Axiom 1st, No man has the right of making laws for his own government. For such a right would include the double absurdity of making him independent of God, and responsible only to himself! Axiom 2nd. A republican government is one in which power is thought to be delegated by the people to their rulers, in their act of voting. Axiom 3rd. But a man cannot delegate a power he himself does not possess. Hence, INFERENCE 1st. As man has no inherent legislative power, he cannot transfer it to another. Hence, INFERENCE 2nd. Voting is therefore a deception, and a sham, making a deceiver of him, who votes, and a dupe of him who fancies himself the recipient of delegated power.” '


I would also like to add that I have voted in every presidential election since 1976; however, I have found it difficult to work up the motivation to do so in the last two presidential elections and I anticipate that it will be even more difficult to do so in 2024, unless the Libertarian Party chooses a candidate that I really like at their 2024 national convention.

I have never in my lifetime said a creature’s will can rule over his Creator. I believe it is God’s will for Americans to choose their governors. He granted us that type of government.

That aside, you’ve presented me with the idea that there is no such thing as rebellion against God. That’s a novel idea I will have to consider.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
I believe it is God’s will for Americans to choose their governors.

Only within the absolute sovereignty of God over who will be elected.

That aside, you’ve presented me with the idea that there is no such thing as rebellion against God.

I am a supralapsarian on the subject of the sovereignty of God.

"Equal ultimacy is the teaching that just as God elected to save a number of people before the foundation of the world He also elected to damn a number of people before the foundation of the world through reprobation. This belief is usually tied to supralapsarianism as opposed to infralapsarianism. Supralapsarianism is the doctrine that the events of history were brought about by God for no other reason other than these events are a fulfillment of His decree to glorify Himself and that these events are brought about as a means to an end. This is also known as Absolute Predestination. In other words, God decreed all the events of the world including the fall of men, redemption, damnation, every drop of rain, every word uttered by men, and every grunt made by beast all before the foundation of the world in order to bring about His desired result. I believe that God predestined His elect to fall in Adam so that they would be saved in Christ."

- rest at Confession of a Hyper-Calvinist - Brandan Kraft (pristinegrace.org)
 

MrW

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I’m not Calvinist. I believe Calvin was in error. His error was trying to put God into a box of Calvin’s own making.
 
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777

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Well, just write Jesus in again, Austin. What do you care, there's no way He'd ever win Minnesota.

Just saw SCOTUS has declined to hear Smiths case about whether DT has immunity.

This means that case must be heard by the lower court first, then a ruling, then an appeal then another ruling before the trail begins.

No way that gets done before March (current trial date) and could push that trial beyond 2024 election.

Very good news for DT. Maybe the rule of law will win out after all.

peace to you

zactly - Woke Jack tried to have the ruling fast-tracked, expedited, in order to have Trump in court just around Super Tuesday and it blew up in his face. I have to wonder why Jack thought it was just so urgent seeing as this "case" happened three years ago.

due process
Moore v. Harper - Wikipedia

Nobody thinks it'll stand, but they'd probably just go to a caucus if it did. Orange man bad. Orange man elusive. But Orange Man bad.
 

taisto

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Well, just write Jesus in again, Austin. What do you care, there's no way He'd ever win Minnesota.



zactly - Woke Jack tried to have the ruling fast-tracked, expedited, in order to have Trump in court just around Super Tuesday and it blew up in his face. I have to wonder why Jack thought it was just so urgent seeing as this "case" happened three years ago.

due process
Moore v. Harper - Wikipedia

Nobody thinks it'll stand, but they'd probably just go to a caucus if it did. Orange man bad. Orange man elusive. But Orange Man bad.
Neither can Trump.
Minnesota is notorious for being the only State not to vote for Reagan.
The Minneapolis City Council is made up of a number of members of the Socialist Party.
Geographically the entire State is mostly conservative, but the majority of people live in the Twin Cities and these two cities could certainly be compared to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Yet, in these cities are some outposts of the Kingdom of Christ Jesus who are lights in a dark world. This is reason to stay. Reconcile one sinner at a time.
 
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